# Why don't you idiots calm down? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208 "2004-04-27T02:38:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/281 "2004-04-29T16:18:31Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Thank you for saying what has been bothering me about this thread for so long. > The Bible, at least the Old Testament, is adisgusting book, describing a hateful, wrathful, judgemental God. Read Numbers 31 or Numbers 15:32-36. Even in the New Testament, Christ says he comes bearing not peace but a sword (Matthew 110:34-36) and that no man can be his follower who hates not his father (Luke 14:26). We’ve been over this, it isn’t anything new. > > But I find it hard to fault **vanilla** simply for believing the words of her Lord. The faults of the Word are at the root of the problem. It seems there are many people who are fine with Christians, until the Christian actually demonstrates they follow Christ’s words. “You’re a Christian? Great! Oh, wait, you actually believe and follow what Jesus said? You’re bad and judgemental!!!” It’s like they think most Christians worship “Buddy Christ” from ‘Dogma’. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/282 "2004-04-29T16:24:13Z")
First off, thanks **tdn**. Thanks to a good therapist and better friends, I actually do have self-esteem and self worth these days, and I’m quite fond of the person I’ve become. That person does have a streak of religious fanatic though. My religion continues to do pleasant things for me, including things like getting a chance to sing Handel’s _Messiah_ this past Christmas, so I’m afraid it’s non-negotiable. I’m an unorthodox Christian. I admit that. I also don’t intend to come off as preachy, but when I read someone giving such a lousy impression of a faith which has done a great deal for me, I have to speak out. I’m also fascinate by what people do and do not believe and why. My father, an agnostic to the core, said many times, “If God can’t tell the difference between someone who goes to church every Sunday and does terrible things the other 6 days of the week and someone who never darkens the door of a church but does good things 7 days a week, he ain’t worth worshipping!” I’m inclined to agree, and I’ll use that passage from Matthew I cited earlier as back up. I’ve come to suspect that people who have the sort of mindset **Vanilla** ’s been espousing recently need to feel that they’re better than someone, that they’re Right about something. After all, if everyone gets into heaven, how can they be better than anyone? What’s the point of it? Meanwhile, I’m coming at the question from the opposite direction: if everyone doesn’t get into heaven, how do I know I will? **Revtim** , I wanted to address your question about “No one comes to the Father except through me”. I’m going to sound a bit like Bill Clinton here, but to me it comes down to your definition of “through”. Through the efforts of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and others, I’m able to vote. I didn’t have anything to do with that directly, yet the fact exists. The Nicene Creed states “Through him [God] all things were made.” I take “through” to mean “by way of”. By Christ’s sacrifice, man was reconciled with God. Through Christ, we are saved. It’s not my place to say who “we” are or are not; it should be sufficient for my faith to know that the atonement was made. I’m with **jlzania**. Being mortal and limited, I cannot begin to completely know God, nor do I want a God who has limits. It’s entirely possible that the hardest core Fundamentalist there is and I might both be right, if God truly has no limits. I can’t see how that could happen, but hey, I’m a very limited mortal. By the way, **Aries28, jlzania, kalhoun, calm kiwi** , and of course **Steve Wright** , I have enjoyed reading what you have to say very much. Thank you. CJ ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/283 "2004-04-29T16:49:22Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > First off, thanks **tdn**. Thanks to a good therapist and better friends, I actually do have self-esteem and self worth these days, and I’m quite fond of the person I’ve become. Ah, OK. Good to hear it! ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/284 "2004-04-29T16:56:09Z")
> [@](#): > > **Revtim** -It seems there are many people who are fine with Christians, until the Christian actually demonstrates they follow Christ’s words. “You’re a Christian? Great! Oh, wait, you actually believe and follow what Jesus said? You’re bad and judgemental!!!” It’s like they think most Christians worship “Buddy Christ” from ‘Dogma’. But Jesus did spell it out for me,loudly and clearly. When questioned about the law he said: > [@](#): > > And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” > Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these. > And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he; > and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” Striving to obey the two primary laws should pretty much take up this life time. ---
**Author:** ![Grant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a5b964/32.png) [@Grant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grant)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/285 "2004-04-29T17:01:35Z")
Yeah **Siege** I was always told that “through” Jesus meant to emmulate him. To live your life as he did not that absolutely had to accept him as your savior. Of course I never bought into the whole thing and have been atheist for almost 30 years so what do I know. 🙂 You know I couldn’t care less what **vanilla** believes but when she starts in with this “I am right. You are wrong.” crap, she deserves what she gets. It is just arrogant and dismissive of the billions of people that don’t believe in her version of god. She thinks that I am going to hell. She may as well say I’m going to Atlantis. Don’t believe it. Don’t care what she thinks. It means nothing to me but to the people that believe in a different version of god her attitude is an insult and deserving of the current dogpile. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/286 "2004-04-29T17:37:49Z")
**Revtim,** we’re not saying Vanilla shouldn’t tell people they’re going to Hell if they don’t believe in Jesus. We’re saying she’s going about it in the completely wrong way. 1. We’re saying she’s being tactless and judgemental, instead of being tactful and understanding. 2. We’re saying she’s taking an issue that ought to be dealt with one-on-one, face to face, and is instead dealing with it _en masse_. 3. We’re saying that she has chosen a supremely poor venue for her thundering denunciations of people _en masse_–an Internet message board. The SDMB has often been compared to a rowdy bar. Well, she’s performing the virtual equivalent of walking into Cecil’s Place on a Saturday night wearing a “Repent!” sandwich board and shouting, “Jesus is the Way! You’re all gonna burn in Hell!” at the amazed folks at the bar. And you wonder why they start hollering, “Fuck off!” at her? The Gospel is not getting preached here, Revtim. Vanilla, by telling people here in this thread that they’re going to Hell if they don’t believe in Jesus, is not “preaching the Gospel”. All she is doing is merely posting a loud and judgemental opinion on an Internet message board, and as such it receives the same merit and consideration from the SDMB that all of the other loud and judgemental opinions that are posted here receive, whether it’s “Fat girls are ugly” or “SUVs are destroying the world”. > [@](#): > > \*\*The good ones conveniently don’t mention that pesky unfriendly non-PC line that Jesus said saying he’s the only way, or possibly pick and choose what words of their savior they decide to follow. \*\* Context is all, Revtim. **These** people–“the good ones”–are being what I would call “polite”. :rolleyes: “Being polite” doesn’t qualify as “picking and choosing which words of their savior they decide to follow”, no matter how you, the Atheist, may choose to interpret it as yet another perceived inconsistency of Christianity. In the context of a message board conversation on a topic other than anything to do with religion (which BTW, this thread isn’t–it’s a thread about loudmouthed celebrity activists at a pro-choice rally, remember?) it’s totally inappropriate to suddenly inform the rest of the participants in the thread that they are all going to Hell if they don’t believe in Jesus. > [@](#): > > **the bad ones plainly state that they believe what Jesus taught…and are attacked for it.** And, “the bad ones” are being damn rude. And are quite rightly attacked for it. In a social context, it’s being a jerk to walk up to a group of people and bluntly inform them, categorically, and out of the blue, that they’re all going to spend eternity burning in Hell if they doesn’t accept Jesus as their personal savior. And the SDMB is no different. **CON** text is **ALL** , Revtim. Look. | | | V > [@](#): > > Great Debates > > For long-running discussions of the great questions of our time. This is also the place for religious debates and (if you feel you must) witnessing. There is a time and a place for witnessing. There is a time and a place for telling people that Jesus is the only Way and that folks who don’t accept Him are going to Hell. That’s the _entire_ point I’m trying to make here. Yes, I suppose that if a Christian took the mandate to “save the world”, and that Bible verse, totally seriously, then that Christian would be telling people they were going to Hell if they didn’t believe in Jesus non-stop, 24/7 365. And there are people like that in the world, God help us. But–here’s the point–we **don’t want them on our Internet message board doing that.** According to this MB’s rules, both written and unwritten (“thou shalt not be a jerk by bringing up Jesus in every single thread thou posteth to”), if she wants to open a GD thread in order to tell her fellow Dopers that we’re all going to Hell if we don’t believe in Jesus, then that’s fine. But she’d better not bring the matter up _constantly_, in every thread, even though, according to your simplistic interpretation of Christianity, her Bible may tell her to. And it’s naive, to say the least, for you to sit there and say, “Well, that Bible verse says she’s supposed to tell people that they’re going to Hell if they don’t believe in Jesus, so why flame her for saying so?” Because **that’s not how the SDMB works.** And you know it perfectly well. Think of the other one-trick-ponies. Are any of _them_ welcome to come into a thread and bring up, say, the failings of George W. Bush, or of liberals, or of the SDMB administration, again and again, in completely unrelated discussions? Certainly not. And are you going to argue that her religion _requires_ her to bring up Jesus and Hell in every post, at every possible opportunity? In other words, that the Bible requires her to spam the SDMB? That would certainly be an interesting question for the Admins to deal with. Context is all. There’s a time and a place for telling people they’re going to Hell, and a wise person will pick the venue for that particular message carefully, not merely spew it out at every possible opportunity, _even though the Bible may seem to command it._ The rules of civilized conduct are against it, and Jesus told us to be sheep among wolves. Sheep are polite. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/287 "2004-04-29T18:40:37Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > **Revtim** , I wanted to address your question about “No one comes to the Father except through me”. I’m going to sound a bit like Bill Clinton here, but to me it comes down to your definition of “through”. Through the efforts of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and others, I’m able to vote. I didn’t have anything to do with that directly, yet the fact exists. The Nicene Creed states “Through him [God] all things were made.” I take “through” to mean “by way of”. By Christ’s sacrifice, man was reconciled with God. Through Christ, we are saved. It’s not my place to say who “we” are or are not; it should be sufficient for my faith to know that the atonement was made. If the word “except” wasn’t in the Christ’s quote, I’d think maybe that interpretation was possible. Since He said “ **except** through me”, I can only interpret it as meaning only via worship of Christ can one get to heaven. Of course, we’re looking at a translation, so maybe the original text allows enough leeway to make your interpretation possible. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/288 "2004-04-29T18:50:51Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > But Jesus did spell it out for me,loudly and clearly. > When questioned about the law he said: > > > [@](#): > > > > And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” > > Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these. > > And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he; > > and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”. > > Striving to obey the two primary laws should pretty much take up this life time. That’s admirable, but how do you reconcile it with Christ’s “only through me” statement? Your quote and that statement seem to contradict each other. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/289 "2004-04-29T19:02:51Z")
**Duck Duck Goose** , are all your problems with **vanilla** from the Jesus sig, or was she witnessing or something? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/290 "2004-04-29T20:17:20Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > That’s admirable, but how do you reconcile it with Christ’s “only through me” statement? Your quote and that statement seem to contradict each other. I’m not a bible student, but as a thinking, reasonable layperson, I could interpret it as “by following my example.” ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/291 "2004-04-29T20:31:45Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > I’m not a bible student, but as a thinking, reasonable layperson, I could interpret it as “by following my example.” So, you interpret “only through me” as meaning “only by acting the way I do”, and not “only by worshipping me”? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/292 "2004-04-29T20:43:12Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > So, you interpret “only through me” as meaning “only by acting the way I do”, and not “only by worshipping me”? Well, yes. I’m certain it could be interpreted both ways, but I (not being the worshipping type) can easily see it as Christ simply wanting to set an example. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/293 "2004-04-29T21:06:16Z")
Well, I’m still leaning towards the “only by worshipping me” interpretation, but that’s actually a fairly plausible interpretation too **Kalhoun** , now that I’ve thought about it. I stand corrected on my previous statement that there was no room for interpretation in the line. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/294 "2004-04-29T21:15:41Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > If God can’t tell the difference between someone who goes to church every Sunday and does terrible things the other 6 days of the week and someone who never darkens the door of a church but does good things 7 days a week, he ain’t worth worshipping May I borrow this, **Siege**? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/295 "2004-04-29T21:19:20Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > May I borrow this, **Siege**? It’s definitely sigworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/296 "2004-04-29T21:22:53Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Well, I’m still leaning towards the “only by worshipping me” interpretation, but that’s actually a fairly plausible interpretation too **Kalhoun** , now that I’ve thought about it. I stand corrected on my previous statement that there was no room for interpretation in the line. Can ya feel the love? Sing it! _“All you need is love (bbrrrup bbrrrup badada) All you need is love (bbrrrup bbrrrup badada) All you need is love, Love… Love is all you need.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Lilairen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lilairen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilairen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/297 "2004-04-29T21:48:38Z")
> [@Aries28](#): > > The best witness is how you live your life. My boyfriend has been known to express this as, “If I have to tell you I’m a Christian, I’m doing it wrong.” Me, I’m not a Christian; I’m not even a monotheist. But when I look at my faith’s principles for right behaviour and Christian principles for right behaviour, I find myself thinking that, all in all, the essences are quite similar. I can find community among Christians and call them brother; I am always delighted when I find Christians who can see in me, a pagan, a sister of faith. I was discussing this sort of thing with a Catholic friend at one point, who basically came down with the opinion that the face of the divine presents itself in a multiplicity of forms so that it may reach the most people. Truth is a complex thing, multi-layered, multi-faceted. This seems entirely plausible to me, but then again, I’ve got a religion that pretty explicitly states that the divine loves differentiation, diversity, and multiplicity of experience. (I commented to my father last night that my religious position on cosmic truth tends to approach the story of the Blind Men and the Elephant.) ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/298 "2004-04-29T22:09:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\*Duck Duck Goose, are all your problems with vanilla from the Jesus sig, or was she witnessing or something? > \*\* ??? You haven’t read this entire thread? Oy. The sig aside (which read, “Jesus is the only way to Heaven.all other ways are wrong.”), which is no longer there… Page 1: > [@](#): > > **lezlers, > Saying the sun is hot is close minded too. > The point is, its true. > Unlike the sun, I cannot prove it right now, but it will be proven.** Page 2: > [@](#): > > **I was tired of trying to be popular here. > To be so, you must compromise your christian beliefs. > If non believers like you and think you are accepting, you are not speaking the truth of the gospel. > To be a popular christian here, you must compromise and say sin is okay! as long as you feel good about it. > I’m sick of doing that as others here do.** > [@](#): > > **There is right and wrong. > people don’t realize that.** > [@](#): > > **Everyone will not be saved; that is there fault, they were given chances.** > [@](#): > > \*\*predictable > > Christianity is all about love and acceptance of any and all sins. > How could I have not seen that? > > Christians who compromise and say no one will ever go to Hell, (God is a big meanie) and no judgment will ever occur, There are no consequneces to sin are right! > > How could I have not known this.Its right there in the Bible! > > You guys are proving my point perfectly. > > Compromise and the masses love you (youre compassionate), > tell the truth and you are a ignorant bigot(unfair!)\*\* Page 3: > [@](#): > > \*\*God is not a hippie > > people seem to forget and want to forget that, although God is a God of love, He is also a God of Judgment. > Sin must be judged, sorry, no getting around that.\*\* > [@](#): > > **You want I should not warn people? > Great, then when they decide wrong and end up in Hell, I will think, Why didn’t I tell them? > Nope.** > [@](#): > > **I do not expect any others to have my beliefs, even my christianity. > But I have been reading God’s word and drawing closer to Him more lately and it makes me think nowdays many things are accepted which should not be IMHO.** Page 5: > [@](#): > > **Thanks for proving that if you actually stand up for Gods’ word (and not saying God condemns no one; all sin is a- okay) you get viciously flamed.** “Witnessing”? Um, yup. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/299 "2004-04-29T22:47:26Z")
I did read the whole damn thing yesterday, but the witnessing didn’t stand out, I guess. Thanks for the elaboration. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208/300 "2004-04-29T22:57:59Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > > [@Siege](#): > > > > If God can’t tell the difference between someone who goes to church every Sunday and does terrible things the other 6 days of the week and someone who never darkens the door of a church but does good things 7 days a week, he ain’t worth worshipping! > > May I borrow this, **Siege**? Why not? Sunday’s Dad’s 75th birthday and, while no doubt he’ll harumph about silliness on a message board if I tell him, I suspect down deep he’ll be flattered. Need I say things have improved between us since I was a teenager? CJ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-idiots-calm-down/242208.md?page=16)