# Why don't you support Bernie Sanders? (if you don't) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632 "2019-06-17T02:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/181 "2019-06-21T10:03:45Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Not all Democrats are the same. > > This thread is full of partisans pretending that the Dems are a monolith. > > _Not all Democrats are the same._ Sure! But the worst democrat is better than the best republican. If they weren’t, they’d have already recognized how fucked their party is and switched sides. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/182 "2019-06-21T11:09:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Maybe if by ‘more moderate’ we’re talking someone like Kamala Harris and not Joe Biden, who would spend his Presidency and the rest of his life afterwards wondering why his mad negotiating skillz never got him anywhere with Mitch McConnell. What are the chances that the D’s, **if they get a majority of the Senate** , will abolish the 60% McConnell cloture blockage on its opening day? For many of us it’s increasingly clear **that abolishing the filibuster is a good step, and should be taken the first time the Senate falls into D hands.**. Which of the candidates have come out in favor? Warrem IIRC; any others? (Would all 50 out of 50 (or 51) D Senators vote to abolish? Unfortunately I strongly doubt it.) Can Mr. Biden keep his support for the rule change secret in his heart, but encourage D’s to act after he’s elected? This might be the most electable option — given that the Koch-Putin-Hannity Lie Machine will make support for abolishing filibuster seem like treason and socialism. ```auto The question we seem faced with in this and other threads is: **Which of two voter groups is most essential for D's to appeal to:** [ul][li]1. Progressives on the left, who will stay home if they think Trump vs Biden is "Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum no reason to vote for either one."[*]2. Centrist, rather uninformed, and easily confused voters, from ruralish America; people prone to being misled by the Russia-GOP Lie Machine.[/ul][/li] Perhaps someone can phrase an OP (with poll?) to ask my question. By common sense I'll guess (2) as the larger group, but have no poll or other evidence to link to. ``` ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/183 "2019-06-21T11:43:44Z")
I think hard progressives just fantasize about having more power than they actually do, or maybe it’s that they look at their twitter followers and facebook timeline and just live in a political bubble. What center-line Democrats understand is that there are more radical right wing people in America than there are radical left wing Americans. The radical right can sometimes get away with being who they are because they have the numbers to win if not enough people care to stop them. Not true of the radical left, which is confined mostly to cities in the Northeast or West Coast. Progressives need to work harder and spend more energy selling their message than the right wing does. America is more conservative than liberal. Joe Biden didn’t make it this way, but it is. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/184 "2019-06-21T12:30:09Z")
The only way the far left will understand that is in a general election loss. Their one size fits all political philosophy while admirable in terms of goals, it is just not practical. The biggest and most loyal voting bloc for the Democratic party are African-American women. They tend to be more conservative/moderate. In 2016 when they turned out to support Hillary Clinton’s bid some Bernie Sanders supporters, and even campaign surrogates criticised them for being “low-information voters”. One Sanders campaign worker said John Lewis - Civil Rights hero - is part of the establishment and “would throw a cat under the bus to help the DNC”. It is that type of abrasiveness that puts people including myself off Bernie Sanders. African-American women were not voting against their self-interest by supporting Hillary Clinton. They were voting for their self-interest because the issue of Civil Rights and the rollback of the progress made is in line with the courts. Supreme Court appointees, Federal judges. 2016 was the election for the judicial future for the next 30 years. Another thing about Bernie supporters that irritates me is the guilt trap they try to play. Maybe it’s just a social media thing but too many times I see support for another candidate rather than Bernie have a group of his supporters shouting “you don’t care about the poor” “homelessness is on the rise and you’re happy to keep them there” and my favorite “you neo-liberal stooge”. My response is what has Bernie succeeded in doing as a Senator for nigh on 30 years to solve this. You don’t have to be President to take on the issues of poverty, housing, tuition costs etc. Bernie did not even vote until he was 41 years old, and that was for himself. He passed through the Civil Rights movement, the anti-War movement, the Watergate aftermath without casting a vote which for millions of people they only received their inalienable right to cast a vote a few years earlier. For me that is quite shameful. ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/185 "2019-06-21T14:25:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Good for Bernie. > > Now that he’s got Americans talking about this stuff, maybe they’ll elect someone else who can actually \*do \*it. 'Bout sums it up. He’s past his sell by date now; I know that the Malaysians elected a 92 year old who had been prez before, but the actuarlla odds aren’t too good for someone past the biblical three score and ten. Of course, Trump might just turn into a Blue Norwegian. With any luck. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/186 "2019-06-21T15:54:08Z")
> [@](#): > > The question we seem faced with in this and other threads is: > **Which of two voter groups is most essential for D’s to appeal to:** [ul][li]1. Progressives on the left, who will stay home if they think Trump vs Biden is “Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum no reason to vote for either one.”[\*]2. Centrist, rather uninformed, and easily confused voters, from ruralish America; people prone to being misled by the Russia-GOP Lie Machine.[/ul][/li] > Perhaps someone can phrase an OP (with poll?) to ask my question. By common sense I’ll guess (2) as the larger group, but have no poll or other evidence to link to. Our best proxies for the two groups (Obama-nons and Obama-Trumps, respectively) show that the former is about twice as large as the latter. That said, I’m not sure the former is going to be easier to reach. Although this does raise doubts: [Obama-to-Trump Voters Are Cooling On the President: Study](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/obama-trump-voters-are-turning-on-president-study-2020-poll.html) > [@](#): > > The Democracy Fund’s Voter Study Group tracks the evolving views of thousands of voters who were first interviewed in 2011. To keep their survey sample nationally representative, VSG has added new voters into the mix, but the repeat interviewees still offer a gauge of how various categories of voters are changing with the times. > > In its latest report, the VSG illuminates one critical shift hiding beneath Trump’s sturdy support: He has lost significant ground with Obama-to-Trump voters. In the project’s 2016 survey, 85 percent of such voters held a “favorable view of the president.” In its latest one, that figure fell to 66 percent. That may not sound like a lot, but, as we’ve observed, it won’t necessarily take a lot to change the course of history. > > “Even small movement among these voters — who represented 9 percent of voters in 2016 — may prove significant heading into the 2020 presidential election,” the VSG’s research director Robert Griffin writes in the report. “Obama-Trump voters are also disproportionately white, non-college educated and, as a result, are likely to be well distributed geographically for the purpose of electoral impact.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/187 "2019-06-21T16:13:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Simply having a president in office who can reverse Donald Trump’s sinister executive orders would be enough to justify a Biden presidency. But beyond that, one of the worst attributes of Trump and one of the most dangerous consequences of his presidency and the GOP congress is that we live in a time of intensifying polarization, which is lethal to democracy. Mitch McConnell has been every bit as responsible for this as Trump. After Trump goes, Mitch will still be there. > [@](#): > > Biden is 100% right: you may not like your nemeses but in order for a democracy to function, you have to work with them (and sometimes around them) to keep delivering the goods to the people. I totally agree! However, one’s expectations must be grounded in reality. Biden’s aren’t. > [@](#): > > Since we became addicted to the politics of playing to the political base, collective confidence in our institutions has seriously declined to a very dangerously low level. We should embrace the candidate who stands up for core principles but is willing to occasionally offer acceptable compromises in the short term to get something passed. Which Dem candidates above the 1% line wouldn’t do this? Bernie, maybe. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/188 "2019-06-21T16:24:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > What are the chances that the D’s, **if they get a majority of the Senate** , will abolish the 60% McConnell cloture blockage on its opening day? > > For many of us it’s increasingly clear **that abolishing the filibuster is a good step, and should be taken the first time the Senate falls into D hands.**. Which of the candidates have come out in favor? Warrem IIRC; any others? Inslee has, but he’s down in the 0%-1% range. > [@](#): > > (Would all 50 out of 50 (or 51) D Senators vote to abolish? Unfortunately I strongly doubt it.) I think this is why the case needs to be made **now**. It’s going to take time to change the minds of Senators. The general public doesn’t care about things like this - well, a fairly small minority of tuned-in voters do, but that’s it. They’re going to notice whether you kept the campaign promises you made that affect them personally, and vote (or stay home) accordingly in 2022. If the filibuster remains in place, you can see how that’s gonna go. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/189 "2019-06-21T17:04:34Z")
Bernie Sanders would easily poll double digits higher if his so called ‘Bernie Bros’ supporters weren’t such loud-mouthed obnoxious assholes. He has almost no chance without his campaign adopting a blanket ‘STFU You Low-Class Cheap Seats Assholes’ corporate policy. … The other day I went to buy gasoline. The islands were busy (the price was good). There was a car trying to jockey left, right and sideways to get to the pumps with his gas cap side facing the pumps. He was getting into it with a car that had filled up and wanted to leave an open space… one he could easily take and use… but no, he had to scream out his window and try to ‘get into it’ with the driver trying to leave. At one point, he even got out of his car, puffed out his chest, tensed all his arm muscles, made fists and threatened her. I backed up and allowed enough room so that she could leave. He then started to scream at me for ‘stealing his spot’. (facepalm) I backed up my car, rolled down the window and did my best to assure him, “No, that spot is all yours. Take it. Take your time, I’m not stealing anything. Please, use it in good health with my blessings”. He then started screaming, “You! You stop talking!!!” and started to repeat the whole puffed chest/tensed arms/fists drill with me. (I started filming at this point with my other hand on a can of mace.) Eventually ‘Cro-Magnon Man’ got back in his car and got his gas at the spot he wanted, but not before I took another spot on another island, filled up completely, and left. Now the point is that he COULD have gassed up and have been out of there easily ten minutes earlier… but no, he had to be a Human Bleeding Hemorrhoid, a screaming big-mouth with bad breath that screwed up everything for everyone around him, including himself. As I drove away I realized that he had acted just like a ‘Bernie Bro’. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/190 "2019-06-21T17:11:40Z")
Sounds more like a Trump guy. Did he insist the Mexico was going to pay for his fill-up? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/191 "2019-06-21T17:18:30Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > … Now the point is that he COULD have gassed up and have been out of there easily ten minutes earlier… but no, he had to be a Human Bleeding Hemorrhoid, a screaming big-mouth with bad breath that screwed up everything for everyone around him, including himself. > As I drove away I realized that he had acted just like a ‘Bernie Bro’. Perhaps. But I’d guess Trumpist would be more likely. I wish you’d made inquiries so we’d know — Trumpist or BernieBro? “I’m a pollster; please help us, kind sir” would probably _not_ have worked but isn’t there some shortcut available? Put on a MAGA hat and see how he reacted? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/192 "2019-06-21T18:18:41Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Perhaps. But I’d guess Trumpist would be more likely. > > I wish you’d made inquiries so we’d know — Trumpist or BernieBro? “I’m a pollster; please help us, kind sir” would probably _not_ have worked but isn’t there some shortcut available? Put on a MAGA hat and see how he reacted? I, too believe that fellow to be a Trump voter. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/193 "2019-06-21T19:51:47Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Bernie Sanders would easily poll double digits higher if his so called ‘Bernie Bros’ supporters weren’t such loud-mouthed obnoxious assholes. He has almost no chance without his campaign adopting a blanket ‘STFU You Low-Class Cheap Seats Assholes’ corporate policy. > … > The other day I went to buy gasoline. The islands were busy (the price was good). There was a car trying to jockey left, right and sideways to get to the pumps with his gas cap side facing the pumps. He was getting into it with a car that had filled up and wanted to leave an open space… one he could easily take and use… but no, he had to scream out his window and try to ‘get into it’ with the driver trying to leave. At one point, he even got out of his car, puffed out his chest, tensed all his arm muscles, made fists and threatened her. > > I backed up and allowed enough room so that she could leave. He then started to scream at me for ‘stealing his spot’. (facepalm) > > I backed up my car, rolled down the window and did my best to assure him, “No, that spot is all yours. Take it. Take your time, I’m not stealing anything. Please, use it in good health with my blessings”. > He then started screaming, “You! You stop talking!!!” and started to repeat the whole puffed chest/tensed arms/fists drill with me. (I started filming at this point with my other hand on a can of mace.) > Eventually ‘Cro-Magnon Man’ got back in his car and got his gas at the spot he wanted, but not before I took another spot on another island, filled up completely, and left. > > Now the point is that he COULD have gassed up and have been out of there easily ten minutes earlier… but no, he had to be a Human Bleeding Hemorrhoid, a screaming big-mouth with bad breath that screwed up everything for everyone around him, including himself. > As I drove away I realized that he had acted just like a ‘Bernie Bro’. I am not familiar with Bernie Bros. How does this resemble Bernie-Bro behavior? What do they do exactly in real life? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/194 "2019-06-21T21:16:47Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I am not familiar with Bernie Bros. They specialize in suits for the frumpy American man. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/195 "2019-06-22T14:34:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The question we seem faced with in this and other threads is: > **Which of two voter groups is most essential for D’s to appeal to:** [ul][li]1. Progressives on the left, who will stay home if they think Trump vs Biden is “Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum no reason to vote for either one.”[\*]2. Centrist, rather uninformed, and easily confused voters, from ruralish America; people prone to being misled by the Russia-GOP Lie Machine.[/ul][/li] > Perhaps someone can phrase an OP (with poll?) to ask my question. By common sense I’ll guess (2) as the larger group, but have no poll or other evidence to link to. The question’s not only which group is larger, though. The question’s also which group is more likely to be moveable to both show up and, once they’ve done so, vote for the D. Both parts of that are relevant – if you can shift 90% of group A but only 10% of group B, but there are 10 times as many in group B, it would still make sense to aim at group B, for example. But I suspect that none of the percentages/ratios in that example are correct; and don’t know what any of them actually are. What we really need is someone who can appeal to both group A and group B. I don’t know whether there’s any such person running, though. I was hoping one such would stand out by now; but it’s hard to stand out in the current large pack. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/196 "2019-06-22T15:29:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think hard progressives just fantasize about having more power than they actually do, or maybe it’s that they look at their twitter followers and facebook timeline and just live in a political bubble. What center-line Democrats understand is that there are more radical right wing people in America than there are radical left wing Americans. The radical right can sometimes get away with being who they are because they have the numbers to win if not enough people care to stop them. Not true of the radical left, which is confined mostly to cities in the Northeast or West Coast. Progressives need to work harder and spend more energy selling their message than the right wing does. America is more conservative than liberal. Joe Biden didn’t make it this way, but it is. You may be right, but statistics don’t quite bear you out. The radical right is about 6% of the electorate (according to Fortune Magazine). The radical left is about 2%. Neither one is a significant voting bloc. 39% of US citizens live on the coast. [Here’s a Gallup chart](https://news.gallup.com/poll/225074/conservative-lead-ideology-down-single-digits.aspx)from 2017 of self-stated voter slant. There is a long steady trend upward for “liberal” over the past decade, with most of this being Democrats changing their position from moderate to liberal. It’s an interesting chart. One of the more striking findings is that men are a LOT more conservative-identifying than women. I think this is has only increased since 2017. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/197 "2019-06-22T15:46:32Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > … > Let me make one other thing clear, if it wasn’t for Bernie Sanders, do you really believe corporate media would be even mentioning universal healthcare, free college tuition, or raising the minimum wage for the first time in a decade? I don’t, and I don’t think any rational person would either. Yes to universal healthcare and raising the minimum wage. Those ideas have been around forever. Maybe no to free college tuition, but i don’t support that anyway. > [@Jophiel](#): > > I don’t support Sanders because he hasn’t convinced me of his ability to run an administration, pass a legislative agenda and get elected in the first place. Supporting him isn’t my job but convincing me is his job. So far, he’s not doing a great job with me or most other Democrats, to look at recent polling. Nonsense like “you’re not a real liberal” or “blah blah cuck” probably isn’t going to do much to help so you should probably spend that energy telling Sanders to up his game and figure out where his disconnect is. yup And all those reasons that were quoted several times, except i don’t think Bernie has been an effective legislator. > [@DrDeth](#): > > … > 4. He \*can’t \*win the general election. The portfolio of nasty dirty trick the GOP has ready for him will make him the biggest loser since Dukakis. and so much this. Atheist communist Jew. Yeah, that’s going to bring people to the polls. Not. > [@Shodan](#): > > … > If it’s Trump vs. Sanders, Trump will be re-elected… yup > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Personally I will (wont vote for Biden, Harris, Yang or some lesser known ones like Pete.), but as a **Sanders supporter** let’s say no. And that should scare you, especially if you’re a centrist democratic in washington. That should terrify you, and it’s the truth. > … yeah, it’s scary to know just how little the radical left gives a shit about America. > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Heres my stance on the issue. There is no viable leftist party in the United States. Democrats for the most part, are just as bad as Republicans. … you know, if we were talking about Hillary vs. Romney, you’d have a point. But the Republican nominee will be trump. > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > I don’t think it indicates a lack of care for marginalized people… okay. You’re wrong, but your are free to think whatever nonsense your like. > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > … > 2) Kinda a jab here, but Bernies been proposing the same shit he’s proposing now when Warren was a registered republican. But none the less I agree. > … Yes, that is a jab. A jab at Bernie. He’s been proposing all this stuff forever, and what has he accomplished? Jack shit, that’s what. The primary reason i don’t support Bernie is because he’s been an ineffective senator, he has almost no adminstrative experience, he doesn’t know anything about foreign policy, and he’s one of the few people running who might actually be worse than Donald trump at actually being president. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/198 "2019-06-24T16:51:30Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Sounds more like a Trump guy. Did he insist the Mexico was going to pay for his fill-up? His distinctive Mexican accent on the words that came out in Spanish made it clear that he was no friend of POTUS. That said, how he screwed up The Entire System of people trying to just get gasoline was 100% ‘Bernie Bro’. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/199 "2019-06-24T16:53:02Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > They specialize in suits for the frumpy American man. Those fat bastards fit in suits? Sounds like an awful waste of bolts of cloth. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/200 "2019-06-26T21:55:32Z")
In answer to the OP: Because he is irritating as fuck. My god, if I have to listen to that voice for four or even eight years… :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=11)