# Why don't you support Bernie Sanders? (if you don't) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632 "2019-06-17T02:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/601 "2019-10-09T05:12:10Z")
I know candidates don’t pick their supporters but the sheer nastiness of Sanders supporters on Twitter tonight makes me ill. No one can say anything about St Bernie without being attacked. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/602 "2019-10-09T05:41:16Z")
I don’t support him because I’m a Republican, and he’s a nut-job who will be dead within a year. Good enough? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/603 "2019-10-10T15:32:20Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Used in the context of Sanders? He is not of Yiddish culture. My Bubby was. Him no. It is not a synonym for anyone or thing Jewish other than used pejoratively. It does not mean an older Jew, even in jest. You wanna be cute and make the cultural reference call him an alterkocher. Not nice but not going to be read as hate speech. WTF? His father, Elias Ben Yehuda Sanders, was born in a sthetl in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His mother was a second generation immigrant whose parents came from shtetls in the Russian Empire. What language do you suppose they spoke? He grew up in a neighborhood populated largely by other recent Yiddish-speaking Eastern European immigrants, attended Hebrew school and had a bar mitzvah. In what sense is he “not of Yiddish culture”? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/604 "2019-10-10T15:38:03Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > “Yid”, whether singular or plural and with or without “the”, is very definitely perjorative. Do not use. (Compare the similar perjorative abbreviation for “Japanese”.) > > “Yiddish” is an entirely acceptable and proper name for the language, and can be used for the culture. Whether it’s OK for a person is going to depend on the context. (giving into the hijack and accepting that I’m just going to have to start another thread if I want to have a serious discussion about the Sanders campaign) It’s not quite that simple. “Yid” is just the Yiddish word for “Jew”, so obviously in Yiddish it’s not a perjorative. But it is often used as such by English speaking anti-Semites, so is best avoided by gentiles. And don’t even get me started on the Tottenham Hotspur sense of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/605 "2019-10-10T15:45:54Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > And don’t even get me started on the Tottenham Hotspur sense of the word. Yeah, that’s a whole other can of worms. Have there been any health updates for Bernie? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/606 "2019-10-10T16:00:01Z")
Christ. In one of the articles on his health they mentioned that his daughter in law died the day he came out of the hospital. He’s walking back the “change the nature of the campaign” thing but I really don’t see how he can keep up full tilt. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/607 "2019-10-10T17:32:04Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Used in the context of Sanders? He is not of Yiddish culture. My Bubby was. Him no. It is not a synonym for anyone or thing Jewish other than used pejoratively. It does not mean an older Jew, even in jest. You wanna be cute and make the cultural reference call him an alterkocher. Not nice but not going to be read as hate speech. It’s not a word I use, but it’s a word my older relatives used neutrally to talk about other Jews of their generation. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > (giving into the hijack and accepting that I’m just going to have to start another thread if I want to have a serious discussion about the Sanders campaign) > > It’s not quite that simple. “Yid” is just the Yiddish word for “Jew”, so obviously in Yiddish it’s not a perjorative. But it is often used as such by English speaking anti-Semites, so is best avoided by gentiles. And don’t even get me started on the Tottenham Hotspur sense of the word. Whereas I’ve never heard “yid” or “yids” used in English except as a perjorative. Hey, that’s just my experience, and somewhat dated, as the relatives who used “Yiddish” are all dead, now. I’m not super up on what words are used to insult Jews these days. Fortunately, I rarely run into that. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/608 "2019-10-10T17:35:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yeah, that’s a whole other can of worms. > > Have there been any health updates for Bernie? I was wondering that, too. I guess he’s on TV tonight? Oh - no, he accepted the invitation, but backed out for health reasons: [https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-lgbtq-town-hall/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-lgbtq-town-hall/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/609 "2019-10-10T17:37:52Z")
Pack it in, Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/610 "2019-10-11T04:25:55Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > You sound [concerned](http://sjwiki.org/images/thumb/8/85/Concern_troll.jpg/300px-Concern_troll.jpg). This post is a few days old, and the poster you were addressing has since been banned. As a result, I’ll decline to give you a warning for this, but take note that this post certainly merits a warning as it is prohibited to accuse other posters of trolling or being a troll outside the Pit. Do not do this. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/611 "2019-10-11T04:42:44Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I was wondering that, too. I guess he’s on TV tonight? > > Oh - no, he accepted the invitation, but backed out for health reasons: > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-lgbtq-town-hall/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-lgbtq-town-hall/index.html) When he had the heart attack, he canceled the next week, didn’t he? Is this not something that we should have already known he wasn’t going to? ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/612 "2019-10-11T19:03:18Z")
Super late to the thread… but if he were elected and implemented his version of a financial transaction tax, I’d be out of a job overnight. Last year I would have personally owed $5,591,110. ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/613 "2019-10-11T19:10:57Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > Super late to the thread… but if he were elected and implemented his version of a financial transaction tax, I’d be out of a job overnight. Last year I would have personally owed $5,591,110. Well, maybe you should start paying your fair share. Your money would be well spent to pay for free healthcare for illegals. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/614 "2019-10-11T19:58:55Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > Super late to the thread… but if he were elected and implemented his version of a financial transaction tax, I’d be out of a job overnight. Last year I would have personally owed $5,591,110. And that amount makes the difference between your having a job and not having one? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/615 "2019-10-11T20:09:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > And that amount makes the difference between your having a job and not having one? 😕 I’m a professional trader. That amount of tax far exceeds the amount of money I make. I, along with the rest of Chicago trading firms, would be out of business overnight. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/616 "2019-10-11T20:14:13Z")
Oops, I read it too quickly—thought it was about $6K. Mightn’t that suggest this kind of high volume trading could use some friction? “Buy and hold” isn’t good for your job, but it might be better for the country and the world. ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/617 "2019-10-11T20:14:48Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > I’m a professional trader. That amount of tax far exceeds the amount of money I make. I, along with the rest of Chicago trading firms, would be out of business overnight. Big deal. What’s more important, you having a job or a Mexican illegal having free healthcare? ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/618 "2019-10-11T20:23:18Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oops, I read it too quickly—thought it was about $6K. > > Mightn’t that suggest this kind of high volume trading could use some friction? “Buy and hold” isn’t good for your job, but it might be better for the country and the world. I don’t see any reason why. 😕 Throw sand in the gears… because? If you think high-frequency traders have an unfair advantage, buy some stock in Virtu Financial and profit with them. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/619 "2019-10-11T20:26:22Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > I’m a professional trader. That amount of tax far exceeds the amount of money I make. I, along with the rest of Chicago trading firms, would be out of business overnight. Ah…what? You can get taxed at an income rate that exceeds 100% of income? 😕 Is it like a tax-per-transaction? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/620 "2019-10-11T20:33:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Ah…what? You can get taxed at an income rate that exceeds 100% of income? 😕 Is it like a tax-per-transaction? :dubious: Sanders is proposing a tax of 0.5% on the value of stock trades. So, in my case, as a professional trader, yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=32)