# Why don't you support Bernie Sanders? (if you don't) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632 "2019-06-17T02:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/681 "2019-10-25T05:28:15Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > [Ro Khanna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro_Khanna) is a representative for California’s 17th congressional district. He is also a national co-chair of Bernie Sanders’ 2020 Presidential campaign. Khanna is a notorious carpetbagger who couldnt win a election in a contested district, so he kept challenging moderates dems in their safe districts. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/682 "2019-10-25T05:40:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > **Excuse me? WTF is a NON-appointed delegate? Do NON-appointed delegates include delegates awarded to Hillary on the basis that she won the primaries from the states represented by those delegates?** > > **Yes, I am proud to call myself a centrist. But I take issue with any assertion that I pretend to be a leftist (however much the radical reactionaries of the extreme Right insist that I actually am one).** > > **There are also unexcluded middles. And any position founded on the notion that there AREN’T, or that I don’t recognize when an issue ONLY has two sides (of which MINE is the objectively correct one :p) is hardly worth my time.** > > **Sorry, I acknowledge that you said you wouldn’t accept it as an answer, but if Sanders wants to be the face of the Democratic Party, he really ought to become a member. As for AOC, I like her and generally support what she wants to do. And as for Ro Khanna; WHO?** > > **Pretty sure they would, because AOC. Unless you think AOC wouldn’t have brought those up without Bernie’s _imprimatur_. Do you think that?** For the record AOC says Bernie help motivate her to get into politics, and all these democratic candidates wouldn’t be running on the literal name of Bernies bill if he didn’t push so hard for his policies. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/683 "2019-10-25T05:43:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ok, one thing that is pissing me off about Bernie. His UHC plan. > > He is calling it “Medicare for all” but it doesnt have anything to do with Medicare. It’s a pure socialized medicine plan. > > That’s fine, but others want a true Medicare for all plan, and he has deliberately poisoned the well. It’s a NHI healthcare model that aims to diminish reliance on private health insurance. It’s a literal overhaul and expansion of Medicare. Edit: Can we let this thread die and get a more productive one going? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/684 "2019-10-25T07:28:49Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Edit: Can we let this thread die and get a more productive one going? Thanks. Please start one. I don’t know enough about Bernie’s policies to respond to people in a thread, but I would be interested in discussing some of his policies. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/685 "2019-10-25T07:43:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > 😕 Really? > > Are you using Sultantheme? > > I mean, if my method doesn’t show up for certain posters, I guess I’ll have to break up the quotes I’m responding to. I think s/he means that the post you quoted and colorized, as originally posted (post #8), had no colors in it. I rather think it’s a nifty way to respond to a full quote piecemeal, without the bother of breaking up the original quote, and without any changing of the sense of the post. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/686 "2019-10-25T07:50:19Z")
Sorry for the double post Come to think of it, I’ve done a similar thing a time or two - colorized a particular section of a quote when I wanted to highlight it rather than just bolding it - I find it’s easier to see that way. I usually add {emphasis mine} afterwards, just to make it clear. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/687 "2019-10-25T11:15:22Z")
Yes, **kaylasdad99** , the original post was not colorized on my screen. Only yours. I don’t mind if a mod colorizes his note in red so it’s more noticeable, but colorizing someone else’s post, it seems to me, should be noted, as is done when something is bolded (e.g. “bolding mine”) just for clarity. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/688 "2019-10-25T12:48:06Z")
kayT, seeing as her color-coded replies matched the colors the added to the post, it seemed self-explanatory to me. It never occurred to me that the colors had been in the original. And I would certainly not feel I had been misrepresented had someone done that to one of my posts. I may wait and see of anyone else objects before stealing the idea, but I think it was brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/689 "2019-10-25T18:29:29Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > It’s a NHI healthcare model that aims to diminish reliance on private health insurance. It’s a literal overhaul and expansion of Medicare. > . It has no relation to medicare at all. Period. None, zilch, zip, nada. And in NHI you can have private insurance, if you like. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/690 "2019-10-25T18:30:29Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > kayT, seeing as her color-coded replies matched the colors the added to the post, it seemed self-explanatory to me. It never occurred to me that the colors had been in the original. And I would certainly not feel I had been misrepresented had someone done that to one of my posts. > > I may wait and see of anyone else objects before stealing the idea, but I think it was brilliant. It works for me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/691 "2019-10-25T18:33:53Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Edit: Can we let this thread die and get a more productive one going? Thanks. I have no idea why you think a new thread would be any different at all. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/692 "2019-10-25T19:06:18Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > kayT, seeing as **her** color-coded replies matched the colors the added to the post, it seemed self-explanatory to me. It never occurred to me that the colors had been in the original. And I would certainly not feel I had been misrepresented had someone done that to one of my posts. > > I may wait and see of anyone else objects before stealing the idea, but I think it was brilliant. **”Her?”** Check my handle again. 😃 That said, thank you for the kind words. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/693 "2019-10-27T00:39:35Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It has no relation to medicare at all. Period. None, zilch, zip, nada. > > And in NHI you can have private insurance, if you like. Um, the M4A bill is based on a NHI model. Under M4A you still would have private insurance, it just diminishes the reliance for it so private insurance is just for additional benefits for things such as cosmetics or grey areas where M4A may not cover usually requiring some kind of cosmetic treatment. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/694 "2019-10-27T01:51:38Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Um, the M4A bill is based on a NHI model. Under M4A you still would have private insurance, it just diminishes the reliance for it so private insurance is just for additional benefits for things such as cosmetics or grey areas where M4A may not cover usually requiring some kind of cosmetic treatment. > **[Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan, explained](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18304448/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all)** > > The Vermont senator’s plan has lots of details about what single-payer would cover. It has less information on how to pay for it. \*The Sanders plan envisions a future in which all Americans have health coverage and pay nothing out of pocket when they visit the doctor. His plan, the Medicare for All Act, describes a benefit package that is more generous than what other single-payer countries, like Canada, currently offer their residents and includes new income taxes on both employees and employers…It would bar employers from offering separate plans that compete with this new, government-run option…The plan is significantly more generous than the single-payer plans run by America’s peer countries. The Canadian health care system, for example, does not cover vision or dental care, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, or home health services. Instead, two-thirds of Canadians take out private insurance policies to cover these benefits. The Netherlands has a similar set of benefits (it also excludes dental and vision care), as does Australia. What’s more, the Sanders plan does not subject consumers to any out-of-pocket spending on health aside from prescriptions drugs. This means there would be no charge when you go to the doctor, no copayments when you visit the emergency room. All those services would be covered fully by the universal Medicare plan. This, too, is out of line with many international single-payer systems, which often require some payment for seeking most services. …The plan is significantly more generous than the single-payer plans run by America’s peer countries. The Canadian health care system, for example, does not cover vision or dental care, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, or home health services. Instead, two-thirds of Canadians take out private insurance policies to cover these benefits. The Netherlands has a similar set of benefits (it also excludes dental and vision care), as does Australia. What’s more, the Sanders plan does not subject consumers to any out-of-pocket spending on health aside from prescriptions drugs. This means there would be no charge when you go to the doctor, no copayments when you visit the emergency room. All those services would be covered fully by the universal Medicare plan. This, too, is out of line with many international single-payer systems, which often require some payment for seeking most services. Taiwan’s single-payer system charges patients when they visit the doctor or the hospital (although it includes an exemption for low-income patients). In Australia, people pay 15 percent of the cost of their visit with any specialty doctor…Medicare, employer coverage, and these other countries show that nearly every insurance scheme we’re familiar with covers a smaller set of benefits with more out-of-pocket spending on the part of citizens. Private insurance plans often spring up to fill these gaps (in Canada, for example, vision and dental insurance is often sponsored by employers, much like in the United States)…The big question Sanders doesn’t answer: How do you pay for it?\* ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/695 "2019-10-27T03:30:56Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > If they’re in prison for voting fraud, should they _STILL_ keep the franchise? Sure, why not ? Ya think they’ll be fixing their cell votes or something ? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/696 "2019-10-27T03:50:57Z")
“Bernie Sanders is vowing to stay in the race until the Democratic convention. He says he owes it all to his supporters, who need something to do until Burning Man.” –- Conan O’Brien ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/697 "2019-10-27T04:15:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > **”Her?”** Check my handle again. 😃 > > That said, thank you for the kind words. 🙂 I thought I’d edited that to fit it. Sorry. The “Kayla” part comes first, and sounds feminine to me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/698 "2019-10-27T04:32:40Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > It’s a NHI healthcare model that aims to diminish reliance on private health insurance. It’s a literal overhaul and expansion of Medicare. > Edit: Can we let this thread die and get a more productive one going? Thanks. Yes, I think it’s a good idea to reboot the threads every couple of months or so if not sooner. Massive threads discourage new input and more people will start tuning in as we move closer to Iowa. I’m sure we all got plenty of 100 days to Iowa emails today! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/699 "2019-10-27T13:20:31Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I thought I’d edited that to fit it. Sorry. The “Kayla” part comes first, and sounds feminine to me. 😉 Don’t worry about it; it happens. (a _lot_ more frequently than I had anticipated twenty years ago, bit still) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/700 "2020-02-08T06:26:05Z")
Bumping this thread (not worth it to start a new one): Bernie suggests that [all nations should stop spending on the military and pool it together to fight climate change instead.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/f0la5p/bernie_sanders_instead_of_spending_18_trillion/) Now, of course, he’s hamming it up for the crowd. But how serious is he about this? The current $700 billion defense budget may be too high, but how much is he proposing to cut, with this sort of rhetoric? Cut by half? Two-thirds? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=36)