# Why don't you support Bernie Sanders? (if you don't) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632 "2019-06-17T02:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Socsback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Socsback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Socsback)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/861 "2020-02-18T23:07:53Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > How does dt do in a one on one debate with bernie? The same as he does with any candidate. He’ll call him names (socialist/communist), laugh at his wacky policy ideas, tell everyone how great the economy is, etc. His supporters will eat it up. Sanders supporters will celebrate victory. Everybody in between won’t really care, because they’ve already heard all of this before. The problem is that Bernie has no intention of trying to unite anyone. He won’t compromise, won’t concede that not everybody thinks his ideas are sensational, won’t even pretend that he’s going to try to work in a bipartisan fashion. That’ strategy works for people that love everything about him. It’s a turn-off for everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/862 "2020-02-18T23:55:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bernie rejects communism and has always done so. He’s a socialist, which is different than a communist. Lots of folks don’t see a difference, but they’re as different as the USSR’s system and Canada’s system are different. … A problem with this construction is that Bernie is on the record (on video) praising the USSR’s system. Attempts to say the USSR and communism are two different things won’t convince many voters, however linguistically-erudite the attempt. Voters are already looking at video from Bernie’s 1988 trip to the USSR, and more of them will be looking at it if he becomes the Democratic candidate. The take of another American who visited the USSR at about the same time: > [@](#): > > …Sanders came back sounding like he had been bamboozled, like so many other credulous Westerners who visited the USSR and took what they were shown by their hosts at face value. Some of the juicier quotes, like the wince-inducing praise of Soviet youth organizations, are already floating around on social media. > > Here’s an example that has gone less noticed. It’s about health care, a subject vital to the Democrats. > > Sanders was amazed at the open “self-criticism” of his Soviet hosts, who admitted that the USSR was 10 or 15 years behind America in medical technology. This seems quite candid, if you didn’t know a thing about the Soviet Union. In reality, it was a perfect example of **the sophisticated way in which the Soviets to the very end played a canny game of public relations**. > > … The point here isn’t that Sanders should have known more about medicine. **Rather, he should have known more about the Soviet Union.** Maybe the Soviet health care system was behind by a decade in the best Kremlin hospitals. In the rest of the country, it was behind by a full century. > > I’ve taken one example from many in just one news conference, but there are others. … > **[Sanders was ridiculously naive about the Soviet Union. The Trump ads write...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/18/sanders-embarassing-ineffective-better-than-trump-column/4787722002/)** > > Sanders was amazed at the open 'self-criticism' of his Soviet hosts, but they were playing him. I hope I'm not forced to vote for him to oust Trump. The term “useful idiot” has been applied to Bernie’s enthusiasm about a dying communist system. His fans will have difficulty in countering this view. (my emphasis in the quote) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/863 "2020-02-19T00:00:53Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > It’s a big field in a sui generis historic moment. To me this just says “Axe to grind.” That’s one way of ignoring facts. The facts in question: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Well, so far in 2020, he’s _lost_ votes he was getting in 2016: > > **BS in IOWA** : > 2016 – 84,870 (=49.6% _of 171,109_\*) > 2020 – 45,936 (=26.1% of 176,000) > > I. DEM TURNOUT: > 2016 - 171,109\*\* > 2020 – 176,000 (versus 238,000 in 2008) > **BS in NEW HAMPSHIRE** : > 2016 – 151,000 votes (60.4% of NH Dem primary voters) > 2020 – 75,110 (25.8%) > > NH. DEM TURNOUT: > 2016 – 254,780 > 2020 – 295,000 > > - [From Iowa to N.H.: Updates - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/iowa-caucus-2016-election/) > \*\* [What to know about the Iowa caucuses | Pew Research Center](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/31/what-to-know-about-the-iowa-caucuses/) > > When Sanders supporters have been asked about this on-air, the only answer I’ve heard them make is some variation on ‘well, in 2020 there are more choices.’ > > \*\ ***But if their main argument is that Bernie Sanders is the candidate who generates enthusiasm, then shouldn’t at least as many people who were enthusiastic about him in 2016, be enthusiastic about him in 2020?** \*\* > > If a main selling point for Sanders is that he will bring out people who’ve never before voted, then how is that good if he’s losing people who normally vote? (If you posit that his 2020 numbers are made up of new voters, then the fact that the 2020 numbers are much smaller than the 2016 numbers means that he’s lost ‘reliable voters’ who did vote for him in 2016 but declined to do so in 2020.) > > I just can’t see a way of spinning these facts as being supportive of the “Sanders is the vote-getter, Sanders is the one who will increase turnout” argument. > [@drad\_dog](#): > > Do you think bernie can compete for the obama/ trump voters? I asked my question (bolded) first. Answer mine, then I’ll answer yours. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/864 "2020-02-19T00:05:45Z")
I will vote for bernie. Not my first choice, however. My main two complaints is that we wont leash his rabid followers and that I hate the _name_ of his health Plan. (it has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare). But he is still 1000X better than the incumbent. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/865 "2020-02-19T00:08:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I will vote for bernie. Not my first choice, however. > > My main two complaints is that we wont leash his rabid followers and that I hate the _name_ of his health Plan. (it has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare). > > But he is still 1000X better than the incumbent. I agree. If Bernie is the Democratic nominee then I will vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/866 "2020-02-19T00:09:02Z")
> [@Socsback](#): > > The same as he does with any candidate. He’ll call him names (socialist/communist), laugh at his wacky policy ideas, tell everyone how great the economy is, etc. His supporters will eat it up. Sanders supporters will celebrate victory. Everybody in between won’t really care, because they’ve already heard all of this before. > > The problem is that Bernie has no intention of trying to unite anyone. He won’t compromise, won’t concede that not everybody thinks his ideas are sensational, won’t even pretend that he’s going to try to work in a bipartisan fashion. That’ strategy works for people that love everything about him. It’s a turn-off for everyone else. I just think there is a danger of telling ourselves stories about the world these days, especially about the invincibility of dt. Plenty of people here don’t think that it matters that there is an election going on, lasting over 9 months, where things “happen.” I guess the future got cancelled. Bernie is dong things that unite the vast majority of real voters. I haven’t heard him turn anybody away. He’s not kowtowing to the other party? And saying it out loud? in this era? The only people talking about bipartisanship are right wing concern trolls. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/867 "2020-02-19T00:13:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That’s one way of ignoring facts. > > The facts in question: > > I asked my question (bolded) first. Answer mine, then I’ll answer yours. It is your opinion really and not a question. I don’t accept the premise. Maybe there are rules of thumb about how and why bernie should retain voters but I don’t know them and you would have cited one if it existed. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/868 "2020-02-19T00:27:27Z")
A few months ago I would never have imagined I’d be at this point. Early voting for Super Tuesday started today here in Texas. I went today and pulled the lever for Bernie, on the theory that if he doesn’t get the nomination that the Democratic Party will likely tear itself apart at the convention. There’s a lot of reasons to go with someone other than Bernie. If, however, he gets a plurality of the primary delegates and gets screwed over at the convention (which seems like the most likely scenario according to Nate Silver)\* I believe that could be enough to trigger Republican control of government for at least a generation. So I went for Bernie to try to get him as close to that majority as possible. - Yes, I know Silver explicitly states he is not predicting the outcome of a brokered convention. But it seems obvious to me that Bernie would likely get screwed over in such a scenario if he has something like 40% of the pledged delegates. If he’s up in the high 40s his chances seem better. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/869 "2020-02-19T00:33:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > A problem with this construction is that Bernie is on the record (on video) praising the USSR’s system. > > Attempts to say the USSR and communism are two different things won’t convince many voters, however linguistically-erudite the attempt. Voters are already looking at video from Bernie’s 1988 trip to the USSR, and more of them will be looking at it if he becomes the Democratic candidate. > > The take of another American who visited the USSR at about the same time: > > [Bernie Sanders saw the Soviet Union through the eyes of a dreamy fool](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/18/sanders-embarassing-ineffective-better-than-trump-column/4787722002/) > > The term “useful idiot” has been applied to Bernie’s enthusiasm about a dying communist system. His fans will have difficulty in countering this view. > > (my emphasis in the quote) There weren’t any actual quotes by Bernie in that op-ed that I could see - just this guy’s opinion of Bernie. Maybe he’s right… But there were much, much more damning videos of Trump out there in 2016 than what’s described about Bernie. And even more than that, there are countless videos of Trump praising authoritarians and being openly bamboozled by them from just the last few years. It’s hard to imagine that there are any voters out there who truly care about having a president who isn’t bamboozled by authoritarians, but would vote for Trump. I’m sure they’ll try and weaponize this stuff against Bernie. I’m just skeptical that it will be effective - not after Trump has basically obliterated the idea that a president needs to be a serious and thoughtful person. Voters who actually care about this kind of thing already oppose Trump. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/870 "2020-02-19T00:50:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There weren’t any actual quotes by Bernie in that op-ed that I could see - just this guy’s opinion of Bernie. > > Maybe he’s right… But there were much, much more damning videos of Trump out there in 2016 than what’s described about Bernie. And even more than that, there are countless videos of Trump praising authoritarians and being openly bamboozled by them from just the last few years. It’s hard to imagine that there are any voters out there who truly care about having a president who isn’t bamboozled by authoritarians, but would vote for Trump. > > I’m sure they’ll try and weaponize this stuff against Bernie. I’m just skeptical that it will be effective - not after Trump has basically obliterated the idea that a president needs to be a serious and thoughtful person. Voters who actually care about this kind of thing already oppose Trump. Right. It would also be an easy matter for Bernie to point out that he’s not the one that’s cozying up to the leader of Russia. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/871 "2020-02-19T01:06:43Z")
A more quippy response: Okay, Bernie might have been wrong in the 80s. But he was right about Iraq in 2003. He’s right about health care. He’s right about the overwhelming influence of the rich and corporations. On the other hand, Trump has been wrong for his entire presidency, about Russia, the Middle East, and just about everything else. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/872 "2020-02-19T01:16:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bernie rejects communism and has always done so. Sorry, but Bernie ran as a candidate, for presidential elector, for the Socialist Workers Party, which is, survey says, [communist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(United_States)). Someone might be thinking that, well, Trump can lie, so why can’t we? It did get him 46 percent. The answer comes from the famous Adlai Stevenson misquote: “Governor, every thinking person would be voting for you”. He retorted, “Madam, that is not enough. I need a majority.” I think getting a majority requires not having to convince elderly Pennsylvanians that Lenin was a fine chap and only Stalin was the bad one. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/873 "2020-02-19T01:32:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There weren’t any actual quotes by Bernie in that op-ed that I could see - just this guy’s opinion of Bernie. Here’s the full (52-minute) press conference Bernie gave about his USSR trip: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3KCoR6UYs1k/hqdefault.jpg "Bernie Sanders on the Soviet Union Press Conference 6/13/1988") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCoR6UYs1k) The _Washington Post_, writing about the same post-USSR news conference (and other Bernie connections with communist regimes), offers some quotes in this article: > [@](#): > > As he stood on Soviet soil, Sanders, then 46 years old, criticized the cost of housing and health care in the United States, while lauding the lower prices — but not the quality — of that available in the Soviet Union. Then, at a banquet attended by about 100 people, Sanders blasted the way the United States had intervened in other countries, stunning one of those who had accompanied him. > > …Sanders had visited Nicaragua in 1985 and hailed the revolution led by Daniel Ortega, which President Ronald Reagan opposed. “I was impressed,” Sanders said then of Ortega, while allowing that “I will be attacked by every editorial writer for being a dumb dope.” At the same time, Sanders voiced admiration for the Cuban revolution led by Fidel Castro, whom Reagan and many others in both parties routinely denounced. > > …Throughout the [USSR] trip, local officials took aside members of Sanders’s entourage, telling them that the Soviet system was near collapse. …Returning to Vermont, Sanders held an hour-long news conference in which he extolled Russian policies on housing and health care, while criticizing the cost of both in the United States — and boasted that he was willing to criticize his homeland. > > “The fact that we were willing to be critical of the United States . . . I think that made them maybe more appreciative of our criticisms we made of their own society,” Sanders said then. > > …Sanders, meanwhile, was so enthused by the trip that he soon began planning his next foreign venture: a visit to Cuba the following year, during his last month as mayor. > > “Under Castro, enormous progress has been made in improving the lives of poor people,” Sanders said before leaving, while noting “enormous deficiencies” in democratic rights. While he failed in his goal to meet Fidel Castro, he returned home with even greater praise than he had for the Soviet Union. … > **[Inside Bernie Sanders’s 1988 10-day ‘honeymoon’ in the Soviet Union](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-day-honeymoon-in-the-soviet-union/2019/05/02/db543e18-6a9c-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html)** > > In a visit to the crumbling communist nation, the socialist mayor criticized U.S. policies on health and housing and lauded some Soviet policies. He remains influenced by what he learned. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > … But there were much, much more damning videos of Trump out there in 2016 than what’s described about Bernie. And even more than that, there are countless videos of Trump praising authoritarians and being openly bamboozled by them from just the last few years. It’s hard to imagine that there are any voters out there who truly care about having a president who isn’t bamboozled by authoritarians, but would vote for Trump. … The people who believe Trump is NOT bamboozled by authoritarians would never consider voting for anyone but Trump (as you intimated). They are self-deceiving cultists who genuinely think Trump is a competent adult. (!) The problem is that there are people who voted for Trump who never really bought into the Trump Cult. Maybe they’re lifelong Republicans, or maybe they’re people who just wanted to see the system shook up. Those people might consider voting for the Dem candidate so as to get rid of Trump (with whom they’re not in love). The ‘Bernie praises the USSR/Communists/Fidel Castro/Daniel Ortega’ stuff won’t help get their votes. It will freak them out. They may not actually vote for Trump in reaction to the ‘Communist’ news about BS----but their non-votes, or votes for 3rd-party candidates, will, in effect, be votes for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/874 "2020-02-19T01:37:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > On the other hand, Trump has been wrong for his entire presidency, about Russia, the Middle East, and just about everything else. Trump was also wrong before he was president. He was wrong about the Central Park Five. He was wrong about where Obama was born. He was wrong about a Muslim Gold Star mother not being allowed to speak. He was probably even wrong about Megyn Kelly having her period that day. And he won. Combine the power of incumbency with DJT’s outstanding abilities as a negative campaigner, and any Democratic is going to be an underdog once Trump gets done with them. But why make it easy for him to paint opponents as just as bad as he is? All candidates have weaknesses. But the current top 3 (Sanders, Biden, Bloomberg) have extraordinary negatives. I personally think that Pete is less of a risk, and the female candidates would have the best chance in November. ---
**Author:** ![Socsback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Socsback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Socsback)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/875 "2020-02-19T01:53:19Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > He’s not kowtowing to the other party? And saying it out loud? in this era? The only people talking about bipartisanship are right wing concern trolls. Trump supporters are proud of their guy for the same reason (not kowtowing to the other party). The problem is that we all just end up in a tug-o-war that nobody wins… ever. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/876 "2020-02-19T02:23:08Z")
> [@Socsback](#): > > Trump supporters are proud of their guy for the same reason (not kowtowing to the other party). The problem is that we all just end up in a tug-o-war that nobody wins… ever. Then why have the republicans have won all such tugs of war. You don’t sound like you have been a democrat over the last 5 years. BTW: bernie and truimp can’t have the same relationship to their base. trimp is behaving as a fascist. It’s not a metaphor that is informative. ---
**Author:** ![Socsback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Socsback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Socsback)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/877 "2020-02-19T02:44:24Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Then why have the republicans have won all such tugs of war. > > You don’t sound like you have been a democrat over the last 5 years. > > BTW: bernie and truimp can’t have the same relationship to their base. trimp is behaving as a fascist. It’s not a metaphor that is informative. Republicans haven’t always won. We’re 3 years past an 8-year run of a Democratic president, and a little over a year past a Democratic recovery in the House. Look around you. Nobody is “winning”. We’re all just yelling at each other about why our side is right. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/878 "2020-02-19T03:21:30Z")
> [@Socsback](#): > > Republicans haven’t always won. We’re 3 years past an 8-year run of a Democratic president, and a little over a year past a Democratic recovery in the House. > > Look around you. Nobody is “winning”. We’re all just yelling at each other about why our side is right. Well whatever mitch mcconnel is doing is 1) not losing and 2) assymetrical. So I think a lot of people are done with trying to appease their abuser. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/879 "2020-02-19T05:06:55Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Well whatever mitch mcconnel is doing is …assymetrical… A purposeful misspelling, I presume…? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632/880 "2020-02-19T05:10:14Z")
1. He’s too old and just had a heart attack. 2. [This](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/02/america-got-a-little-less-liberal-last-year/). I will support him if he’s the nominee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-you-support-bernie-sanders-if-you-dont/835632.md?page=45)