ROFL!
And the funny part is, the lyrics fit very well with his management style!
Marvel omits the folks heroes are supposed to be saving—Ordinary People.
Superman still saves cats from trees.
Batman saves old ladies from muggers.
Marvel…doesn’t.
Spidey no longer does street patrol.
In the Lee/Kirby issues, even Thor stopped bank robbers.
The regular folks, the ones who are in danger, got written out of Marvel.
And then, DC does this–
Some of their earliest/best (IMHO) Heroes…are off to fight a fire. And save Ordinary People.
–and yet, the guy driving the other way still feels the need to flip them off.
Oh well, that’s New York I guess.
I’m not sure your reason is the opposite of mine - it’s just different, and just as valid. In fact, you’ve pointed up another thing I like about DC: the plethora of non-powered heroes. There’s something special, I think, about heroes who succeed through training, skill, and intelligence rather than superhuman powers. Batman and “family”, Ted Kord’s Blue Beetle, The Question, Green Arrow and Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow. I’ll include those whose “powers” come from a unique weapon/tool/invention, like the Green Lanterns, Booster Gold, Star Girl (is that her name? - the JSA girl with the staff), the most recent Manhunter. All of these are ordinary humans who would likely be successful heroes even without their tools.
It shows a perhaps subtle difference in each company’s philosophy:
DC: Look at what ordinary men and women can do with sufficient training, determination, and ingenuity.
Marvel: Look at these amazing abilities! But don’t forget they’re still human! And still miserable!
Well, I’m looking at it as your reasoning being the uniqueness of origin, whereas mine is interconnectedness of origin. You’re right, though, that it’s not precisely opposite - as it’s mostly addressing two different - though connected - aspects.
Yep, she is, currently, Stargirl - though she originally rejected the name. But that was before she was brought into the Starman legacy, and was just the legacy of the Star-Spangled Kid.
True…I think, though, more important is how the two companies make their characters human.
With Marvel, it’s, as you say, making them miserable. It started small, simply - Oh, look, despite all his powers, Spider-Man isn’t happy, he has problems, just like anyone else - then it grew - Not only does Spider-Man have problems like everyone else despite his powers - his powers actually make it worse!
With DC, it’s making them…humble, I suppose. ‘Oh, look, despite being an alien with amazing powers beyond the ken of mortal men, Superman is at heart, just a Kansas farmboy, who wants nothing more than to have time with his family.’ ‘Despite being in possession of the most powerful tool in the universe, Kyle Rayner is still in awe of the rest of the JLA.’ and so on.
I’d also say Marvel is doing better with the multimedia than DC. You have Batman Begins (which did kick enormous ass, and the upcoming sequal) vs. DD, Iron Man, all the Spideys, both FFs…not to mention all the Marvel movies they’re discussing now (I think Michael Bay should do Captain America!), perhaps the field isn’t so uneven.
Oh, and I forgot New Frontier (which is very very good IMHDO).
Slight hijack: why does DC do more alternate universe stories than Marvel?
I hope you’re talking quantity not quality there since Daredevil, the Fantastic Four movies, and Spider-Man 3 were all terrible…
You ever hear of a little magazine called What If?
Or the Ultimate Universe?
Or the various X-Books? :smack:
I don’t think they do.
DC does do it quite a bit, and probably has more just because they’ve been playing with that toy for a lot longer, but they haven’t done it regularly for ~20 years, until the Wildstorm U was folded in as an alternate universe, not just a separate entity.
Marvel, on the other hand, in the same ~20 year time period when DC’s alternate universe output was sporadic Elseworlds, has had two ongoing titles devoted to alternate universes, strictly by their premises - What If…? (no longer ongoing, but a fairly regular series of one-shots, lately) and Exiles (recently relaunched, but still ongoing), currently have at least 3 alternate universes with regular titles - Adventures (low continuity, kid-friendly), Ultimate (modernized versions), MC2 (an alternate universe that diverges from the main timeline just after the Clone Saga) - and regularly have events which alter the timeline temporarily, thus creating alternate universes - Age of Apocalypse, House of M - or are futures rendered alternate by their history being changed in the present - Days of Future Past - or just are set in alternate universes, just because - 1602, Marvel Zombies, Marvel Knights 2099…
Down!
ba-dum-bum
Thank you, I’ll be here all night.
But seriously, after all the zany fun of Slott’s run - Peter David came in and did a 180, where Jen’s disillusioned, depressed, and generally no fun to read a book about. And she has a Skrull sidekick. And she’s a bounty hunter. Whatever…
She-Hulk is a tough character to get an identity for which is why I think that the only two really good runs have been essentially comedy.
It’s unfair to judge David’s run on the basis that it’s not what Slott was doing. Of course I do think that the David run isn’t fun and doesn’t really do a lot to give She-Hulk a distinctive place in the Marvel Universe like Slott did (other than the obvious crossover bait). Angsty bounty hunter just puts her back on the pile of C-Listers with nothing special.
Other than your first sentence, I’d swear you were agreeing with me…
You have seen these, right?
“I’m a Marvel … and I’m a DC”
#1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds
#2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c
#3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ytqV6GEHW24
#4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7rp2f2OcCpQ
I’m a Marvel…and I’m Batman
#1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=azGhHh9mV_Q
#2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-q_taep3ElI
Because DC is bringing back Ambush Bug. 'Nuff said.
All right, all right, I retract my statements.
But JLU and New Frontier are still awesome.