It’s getting there, but I don’t care for that style of collar, or lack thereof. Also, i’m partial to AirForce uniforms being blue. I can’t see the pants for that uniform? Are they tucked into knee high jack boots? Cuz if so, they’d be at home on the Death Star.
The uniform a few posts up, Navy? The one with the short sleeves. Awful. Short sleeve dress shirts make a person look like a nerd/IBM worker circa 1960.
I think berets look awkward and aesthetically unpleasing with formal uniforms like the Army dress uniform. A dress uniform is all about emphasizing straight lines, creases, angles, and looking sharp. A beret, on the other hand, is floppy, curved and rounded.
These guys, in my opinion, represent the ideal use for the beret. The handsome Rhodesian infantrymen look aloof, insouciant, and professional at the same time. They aren’t wearing dress uniforms; they’re wearing battle gear, but they look squared-away all the same. Their sleeves are rolled up, the way US Marines do it, though their arms aren’t pumped up the way most American combat troops look nowadays.
In short, these beret-wearing Rhodesians don’t look like supersoldiers. They look like young guys who are just doing their job, in a natural way, and the natural shape of the beret fits it perfectly.
The beret had a lot of significance in that it was worn by the real hoo-ah hoo-ah units, like the Rangers (a unit my father was in during WWII) and so on. But it’s also impractical. It does not shade the eyes or protect the ears. You can get odd sunburns while wearing it. It’s a pain in the proverbial behind. And if you accidentally wash the bloody thing, it’s possible to wind up with a black wool condom with a unit crest on it.
Berets were a lot cooler when you had to earn them in the Army.
1a) In the Air Force, we’re still picky about who gets to wear the beret (or who gets stuck wearing the beret, if you prefer). If you see an Airman wearing a beret in any color other than a shade of blue (cops wear dark blue, Academy cadets wear a lighter blue), he’s probably rather badass.
Baseball caps are very functional, but should probably be reserved for garrison units if only because you can’t really wear a helmet with a baseball cap. In the Air Force, we have baseball caps with unit-specific designs, but they are soon to go extinct along with unit insignia once the Battle Dress Uniform is phased out (the flyers will still get to wear patches on their flight suits, but us second class citizens will be relegated to the tigerstripe Airman Battle Uniform, which is not authorized with unit insignia or baseball caps. Unless you’re RED HORSE, in which case the caps are mandatory. And bright cherry red.)
The forage cap might be gone, but the Patrol Cap is basically the same thing, and even the Army has it when they are deployed.
I think the flight cap (aka the garrison cap, the overseas cap, the flat cap, the “Piss Cutter”, the sandwich cap, etc.) is great… if you have a job where you need a hat which can be quickly made to go away so you can put on some kind of specialized head gear that you would look ridiculous walking around in otherwise (so basically pilots and vehicle operators). For the rest of us, they can be very very frustrating to hang onto on a windy day. I always give myself a buzz cut on Sunday nights so the stubble on my head will hang onto the cap for me. I kinda wish we could get something similar to a kepi to wear with our blues.
Related to that last bit of 4, I think the “Bus Driver” cap looks ridiculous if you are not A) an officer or B) Honor Guard. It’s the most adorable thing ever when you see airmen in service dress wandering around with those goofy things on otherwise.
My only complaint about the Army berets is that they have those shiny unit insignias on the front. In the Air Force (and, I’m told, the Marines), we are trained to salute shiny stuff. The Army uniforms confuse us, they do. I once saluted a Private First Class because her unit insignia looked like Captain’s bars. She laughed at me.
In regards to the Army uniform, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the US Army’s traditional colors have always been blue over lighter-blue. The Air Force just kinda kept that color scheme when we broke off, before the Army wandered off into their “Green Phase”. I think it’s great that their service uniform has the colors off enough that we can tell each other apart at a glance. Now if only the Air Force would get a service coat that is A) not horribly uncomfortable and B) doesn’t look like a cheap suit with rank pinned on.
Short sleeved service uniforms: I’ve never known anyone to wear them when they were dressing up (ie: awards ceremonies or courts martial), but they are handy if you have to work in them all day (ie: In the Air Force, that would include office workers on Mondays in many places). The long sleeves can get a bit warm, and since we have to wear them closed-collar with a necktie, they don’t ventilate nearly as well as the open-collared fatigues do. I do wish the pants would be more comfortable to sit in, since the people who stand up and run around all day usually don’t ever wear them anyways (unless they are invited to a promotion ceremony or a court martial:D)
EDIT: Oh, and the guy with the pants tucked into the boots, that is evidently something the Army Airborne troopers do. It looks ridiculous, but more power to them.
Ahh, like how the Air Force used to do with the BDU/ABU pants, I get it. I still think it looks goofy, but then again, I’m not an Airborne trooper, so it doesn’t really affect me.
The real function of a beret is to protect the head from cold and wind, but keeping in plenty of air between the head and the cloth, so that it doesn’t get too hot or sweaty.
Depending on the specific design of the beret, the fact that it pretty much touches your head only around the band allows you to avoid hat-head when you take it off.
I was actually referring to the Garrison Style Bicorne Softcover or wedge of the Army of the recent past. When looking at the basic iconic, symbological, and chronological profile of war caps in the History of America past to present, it goes- Tricorne (Revo), Kepi (Civil), Garrison Bicorne (WWI+II Korea Vietnam) and now the Beret.
So far as I understand, the term “forage cap” does not indicate any particular design. It was originally used to refer to caps worn when soldiers were foraging for feed for horses, but it has been used to refer to any kind of cap suitable for physical or manual labour.
For example, in this discussion, both the kepi and the envelope cap, two very different designs, can both be called “forage caps.”
Sorry that should read the “Garrison Cap” or “doughboy style cap” as you refer to it, not “Kepi”. “The garrison cap inspired fast food workers hats.”
No, actually my line of reasoning was that she was so hip, so chic, debonair, and fashionable that if the cap became worn as an everyday item and fell off the hot topic, she wouldn’t wear it much more. And I think the Army shouldn’t wear it either because it is overworn and has too much baggage.
Well, I certainly agree wetting yourself isn’t a very good look for a soldier. Those are full-decoration uniforms carried over from an earlier time and definitely look antiquated and overdone now. That certainly shouldn’t be a daily duty uniform, though as a ceremonial one it has the appropriate grandeur, with all the medals worn and such.
I think the Patrol Cap is much closer to a baseball cap, has the same functionality. The squarishness of the top changes the look a bit without being ridiculous, like the circular disk on the kepi. I think these are the best general wear hats, with the boonie hat a field functional cap. Berets can add a stylish element, but not the way the Army currently wears them with the divot. That John Wayne pic and the pic of the Rhodesians looks better. The contour is smooth across, sloped on one side but not so large as to block view, and the flash is visible but not overaccented, and certainly not projecting from the rest of the head/hat.
Yeah, a proper beret is also soft and foldable, and would work better. The Patrol Cap should be easy enough to stuff in a pocket without damaging the hat.
Yeah, those are best for Class A and high-ranking officers. Not the bulk of troops or daily wear.
Actually, the U.S. military (what there was of it) wore shakos for the entire first half of the 19th Century, just like every European country. The tricorne was long gone by the War of 1812, and the kepi didn’t show up until the Civil War.
I dunno, man, I think the Colonel looks just plain goofy in the blue one, that seems to combine the more excessive parts of both Soviet and Mexican parade dress with his own always curious sense of panache. There’s grandeur and then there’s compensating for some inadequacy.
Worth noting, a big difference between the patrol cap and the baseball cap is how you wear them. The baseball cap, obviously, you simply adjust to your head size and pull all the way down on your head. The patrol cap “perches” higher up on your head, much the same way a fedora or similar nicer hat does. We were taught to wear them so that they angled down slightly with the brim shading down over your eyes (kinda necessary to get any shade benefit because the brim was much shorter than on the baseball caps). If you do it right, the hatband (or the hem, or whatever you call it on a soft cover) is parallel to the ground when the hat is wron, but it takes practice to get right.
And the main reason I like the baseball caps is because of the unit insignia on many of them. I’d be fine getting rid of them on duty uniforms entirely if we could get our unit insignia back on the ABUs.