# Why hasn't Colin Farell been charged with rape?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 20, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861 "2006-01-20T19:07:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/121 "2006-01-22T21:24:37Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> She is incapable of consent. No argument there? […]
> 
> See, if the movie had been shot in [Germany](http://www.answers.com/topic/child-pornography-1), where the age of consent is 14, I would never have started this thread in the first place.

What is incomprehensible is why you think that consent is an issue _at all_ here.

You’re equating something totally innocent with the sexual exploitation of a child. There’s no sexual gratification at all in this scenario – not for the actors, and not for the audience. Hell, the grade eight production of _Robin Hood_ I took part in when I was in drama club would be considered kiddy porn by your standards. Children acting out a courtship and marriage – with _kissing_. Directed by pervert teachers. The _horror…_

The idea that it should be illegal to portray a romantic relationship between a twenty-nine-year-old and a fourteen-year-old on the basis of some sort of twisted principle is completely absurd. If we were talking about a graphic depiction of her deflowering, that’d be something else again. A _chaste kiss_, though?

What the hell is your hang-up? It’s drama, for christ’s sake. Where do you imagine the harm is?

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/122 "2006-01-22T21:47:33Z")

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> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> **Cartooniverse** , have you missed all the information conveyed in this thread that there ARE no love scenes in _The New World_? Your entire OP is compltetely invalidated by that fact.

> [@Quint](#):
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> So you’re going to continue ignoring all the people pointing out that in this case there was nothing to consent to? Have you even seen the movie? Are you still carrying on with your comparison of Colin Farrel’s “crimes” to Roman Polanski’s very real ones?

> [@DeadlyAccurate](#):
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> I’m somewhat disappointed that **Cartooniverse** , whose posts I normally enjoy, has not once commented on the posts by the people who have seen the movie. I’m not pitting him, _per se_, but I would like to see him retract his OP and admit his mistake.

> [@Larry Mudd](#):
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> What is incomprehensible is why you think that consent is an issue _at all_ here.

You’re all pissing into the wind. You will get no satisfaction here. If i may, i will reiterate what i said earlier in this thread:

> [@mhendo](#):
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> [H]aving confronted **Cartooniverse** on similar questions before, i believe that he is in a whole different category. He appears literally unable to approach this issue with any semblance of rationality whatsoever. His way is the only way, and anyone who disagrees with him is an apologist for pedophiles.

This thread provides ample confirmation of my assertion.

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/123 "2006-01-22T21:52:52Z")

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> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> **Cartooniverse** , have you missed all the information conveyed in this thread that there ARE no love scenes in _The New World_? Your entire OP is compltetely invalidated by that fact.

> [@Quint](#):
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> So you’re going to continue ignoring all the people pointing out that in this case there was nothing to consent to? Have you even seen the movie? Are you still carrying on with your comparison of Colin Farrel’s “crimes” to Roman Polanski’s very real ones?

> [@DeadlyAccurate](#):
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> I’m somewhat disappointed that **Cartooniverse** , whose posts I normally enjoy, has not once commented on the posts by the people who have seen the movie. I’m not pitting him, _per se_, but I would like to see him retract his OP and admit his mistake.

> [@Larry Mudd](#):
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> What is incomprehensible is why you think that consent is an issue _at all_ here.

You’re all pissing into the wind. You will get no satisfaction here. If i may, i will reiterate what i said earlier in this thread:

> [@mhendo](#):
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> [H]aving confronted **Cartooniverse** on similar questions before, i believe that he is in a whole different category. He appears literally unable to approach this issue with any semblance of rationality whatsoever. His way is the only way, and anyone who disagrees with him is an apologist for pedophiles.

This thread provides ample confirmation of my assertion.

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**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/124 "2006-01-22T21:58:01Z")

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So much so, apparently, that you had to say it twice.

😃

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**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/125 "2006-01-22T22:15:28Z")

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> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#):
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> As much as knee jerk reactions leading to incredibly stupid pit OPs (leading to trainwrecks) are in the “SDMB spirit”, I really do think you should walk away from this one right now.

I think he took my advice.

Sheesh, there’s only so much backpedalling a guy can do with the use of just one eye!

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**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/126 "2006-01-23T01:23:35Z")

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Fortunately for the 30,000 + Dopers out there, we’re all allowed to post to threads without vetting each thought and word with our esteemed **mhendo**. I am curious, though. You threw out a pretty heavy accusation there, and thought so much of it that you quoted it twice back to back just now.

Please do, oh wise one, cut and paste the quote of my post from this thread where I use either/both of the words “apologist” or " pedophile".

Cause, you know, some of us apparently are making such statements about others without the quote from this thread to back it up. Sort of a serious accusation, eh?

Um. We’re waiting, sir. C’mon- you accused me of it. Where’s that quote from my post in this thread? Hmmm. Maybe you’re the one with a problem with people who won’t fall into lockstep with your opinion, cause I don’t recall accusing any individual in this thread of anything.

Backpedalling? I stand by my OP. Stop being a jerk and saying I’ve backed away. Try reading The Rules ( see that pretty little blue word up top on your t.v. set? The one that says, " Rules" Click it, motherfucker. It sort of starts with, " Don’t be a jerk".) I’m not backing down. I’m also allowed to not post for more than a few hours without being accused of backing away. :wally  
Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/127 "2006-01-23T01:29:24Z")

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What part of “HE DIDN’T FAKE INTIMACY WITH HER” do you not understand, you dumb tampon stain?

There was one almost kiss and a few innocent caresses. That was IT.

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**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/128 "2006-01-23T01:38:12Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> I stand by my OP.

You stand by your false accusations regarding events that have never occurred, based, apparently, on a misreading of some commentary regarding a movie you have never seen?

You stand by the posting of lies and the attempt to defame the character of an actor and a movie production crew based on your own need to express horror at imaginary events?

You really ought to consider standing somewhere else.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/129 "2006-01-23T01:39:53Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "

Hey, stupid fuck, I’ll say it again…THERE ARE NO LOVE SCENES IN THE MOVIE WHATSOEVER.  
There is no “faked intimacy.” It doesn’t happen. There is hand holding. There are a couple of kisses on the cheek. There is one quick kiss on the lips with Christian Bale in a non-sexual situation. That’s it. If you’re going to persist in this shit could you please do us the courtesy of telling us exactly what scene or specific depicted act it is that you object to? Thank you.

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**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/130 "2006-01-23T01:49:35Z")

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> [@tomndebb](#):
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> You really ought to consider standing somewhere else.

I suggest somewhere with soft walls. Just for a few months.

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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/131 "2006-01-23T02:12:43Z")

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Although I haven’t seen them, I still object to the underage love scenes in the movie. 😛

> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> THERE ARE NO LOVE SCENES IN THE MOVIE WHATSOEVER.

Just a minute…

Are you trying to tell me there are no love scenes in the movie?

Why didn’t anyone say so before?

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**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/132 "2006-01-23T02:16:49Z")

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> [@glee](#):
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> Why didn’t anyone say so before?

First I’ve heard of it.

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/133 "2006-01-23T02:27:01Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Fortunately for the 30,000 + Dopers out there, we’re all allowed to post to threads without vetting each thought and word with our esteemed **mhendo**.

It’s true, you don’t.

However, your irrationality in this thread suggests that, in this instance at least, my evaluation has some merit.

> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> I am curious, though. You threw out a pretty heavy accusation there, and thought so much of it that you quoted it twice back to back just now.
> 
> Please do, oh wise one, cut and paste the quote of my post from this thread where I use either/both of the words “apologist” or " pedophile".

Never said you did.

My observation was related to my past experience with you on this general issue where, in my opinion, you have generally shown yourself to be completely devoid of all reason.

If anyone wants evidence for this, and would like to look beyond this particular thread, they can check out [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301600) where, aside from generally being a complete moron and an irrational dickhead, you also called me [“an apologist and supporter for a kidnapper rapist”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5955110&postcount=150):

> [@](#):
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> It’s fascinating that one can be a total apologist and supporter for a kidnapper rapist, and yet in the same thread attack someone distressed for…having the gall to wish to protect their daughter. You actually think that protesting ( which, despite your apparent wishes to the contrary, is protected by the 1st Ammendment ) will somehow incide this otherwise calm, regretful, recalcitrant, model citizen to kidnap and rape again.

And you also [conceded](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5953893&postcount=145):

> [@](#):
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> As you can tell from reading my posts in this thread, this is a very difficult topic for me to approach clinically.

And you also, in that thread, trotted out the “I’m a parent, so my arguments are more valid than yours” line of reasoning. When one poster disagreed with you, your response was to [assert](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5842096&postcount=112):

> [@](#):
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> I am guessing without any private knowledge or information of any kind that you are not a parent.

And when i and others pointed out how spurious this line of “reasoning” was, you [responded](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5844192&postcount=119):

> [@](#):
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> You can refuse to believe that because perhaps you are not a parent and therefore wish to not be seen as lacking in perspective, but it is the simple truth. You’re going to ask me for a cite proving that parents know what it is to be a childs parent and non-parents do not know what it is to be a childs parent. Good luck.

These quotes, and your behaviour in this threasd, stand as adequate evidence of your irrationality on this issue, in my opinion.

> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Cause, you know, some of us apparently are making such statements about others without the quote from this thread to back it up. Sort of a serious accusation, eh?
> 
> Um. We’re waiting, sir. C’mon- you accused me of it. Where’s that quote from my post in this thread? Hmmm. Maybe you’re the one with a problem with people who won’t fall into lockstep with your opinion, cause I don’t recall accusing any individual in this thread of anything.

Perhaps i can help you out with some basic reading comprehension here. If i’m successful, it may even help you understand what other people have been arguing in this thread.

What i said was:

> [@](#):
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> [H]aving confronted Cartooniverse on similar questions **before** …

Bolding mine.

The word “before” meaning, in this case, “at some earlier period in time.” I’m sure you’ve encountered this usage of the word, and can grasp its basic usefulness in such a context. I was not talking about this particular thread; i was describing my previous experience with you on this issue, and pointing out that your lack of logic and rationality in this thread was consistent with your past behaviour.

Understand now, or should i use smaller words?

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**Author:** ![The\_Hook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@The\_Hook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hook)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/134 "2006-01-23T03:33:19Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "

You’re right. If a 30-something actor were fondling a 14-year-old girl on screen, for real, I’d have a problem with that. But, unlike you, I don’t get outraged at stuff that hasn’t happened.

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/135 "2006-01-23T04:00:48Z")

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Also, **Cartooniverse** , i’m confused (and you also seem to be confused) about whether this is a legal or a moral issue for you.

First you say:

> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> See, if the movie had been shot in [Germany](http://www.answers.com/topic/child-pornography-1), where the age of consent is 14, I would never have started this thread in the first place.
> 
> But it wasn’t. So I did.

This suggests that your main gripe with the movie is that it violates US law. But then you say:

> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "

This suggests that the issue is a moral one, and that you would be oppsed to such a scene even if it were filmed in a country like Germany where age-of-consent laws are lower.

Of course, this leaves aside the fact that you don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about, and that the scenes you’re complaining about don’t even exist.

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**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/136 "2006-01-23T04:22:40Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Backpedalling? I stand by my OP. Stop being a jerk and saying I’ve backed away. Try reading The Rules ( see that pretty little blue word up top on your t.v. set? The one that says, " Rules" Click it, motherfucker. It sort of starts with, " Don’t be a jerk".) I’m not backing down. I’m also allowed to not post for more than a few hours without being accused of backing away. :wally

I was hoping you backed out.  
Backing out != backpedalling. See, what you’re doing now is backpedalling. You’re trying to come up with reasons to validate your OP, when you should just walk away, you crazy motherfucker. You’re not going to win this. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. You’re OP was a baseless claim that Colin Farrell was a rapist because of a movie YOU HADN’T SEEN. People have come in and told you that doesn’t happen.

Don’t be a jerk? You’re the one trying to incriminate _The New World_ for something it didn’t even show. But hey, shouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good pit OP now should we? Whether it’s alright to touch a 14 year old girl in a movie doesn’t even come into it. Because that’s not what happened in _The New World_. So back out.

Or keep on making an ass out of yourself. Either way. It’s slightly more entertaining for me if you keep on wailing on the way you are. It’s wasted effort for you though. Is it really worth the 5 page trainwreck, the breakdown and the apology thread which you will undoubtedly post, in which people will say you are a “class act”, {{{{CARTOONIVERSE}}}, etc etc? Tell me, is going to sleep at night knowing the fact that people support your theory that Collin Farrell is a rapist, really worth looking like a complete dick?

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**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/137 "2006-01-23T05:08:54Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "

Are you just mentioning this as a general axiom, or are you trying to apply it to this movie? Do you have me on ignore? DtC? Any of the OTHER posters who have actually SEEN the movie and have told you there _is_ no faked intimacy between Colin Ferell and this then-14 year old actor.

I have no problem with the stance that certain types of intimacy with a 14 year old person are inappropriate, whether it’s “film” or not. But that has **nothing** to do with this particular movie because it just _is not present_ in said movie.

You’re making yourself look pretty bad in all this, you’d probably get a lot more acceptance and quickly if you’d acknowledge at least one of the many posts which have told you there _is_ no sexual or even semi-sexual contact between Ferell and the 14-year old.

Is it your position that hand-holding, a kisses on the cheek equal some sort of sexual intimacy?

Damn, my grandma used to kiss me on the cheek every time she saw me from age 2-30, I guess I’m glad you weren’t around to arrest her.

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**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/138 "2006-01-23T05:10:26Z")

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> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#):
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> Don’t be a jerk? You’re the one trying to incriminate _The New World_ for something it didn’t even show. But hey, shouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good pit OP now should we? Whether it’s alright to touch a 14 year old girl in a movie doesn’t even come into it. Because that’s not what happened in _The New World_. So back out.

Well, we can’t blame him. If he would acknowledge any of the multiple posts which have told him there _is_ no sexual contact in the movie it would completely demolish his argument.

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**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/139 "2006-01-23T08:16:31Z")

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> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> 29 years as a paid camera operator is what I have on my side- trust me.

Dude, you’ve had a lot of opportunities to be classy, but you’ve ignored them. Time to call you out. **You are full of shit.** 29 years as a paid camera operator? Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding? You are clearly a bozo who has managed to bullshit his way behind the camera once or twice in his life between stints attempting to be an EMT. Don’t fuckin’ pretend to be a camera operator when your experience is limited to trembling on the camera truck hoping the DP doesn’t fire you for being unable to figure out an eyeline. I’d doubt you’ve ever loaded a mag, let alone framed a scene. You’re accusing _Terence Malik_ of making kiddie porn? **You haven’t seen the movie!** Please, before you embarrass yourself further, acknowledge those who have pointed out that the film has no intimate scenes, and that your initial comparison of Colin Farrel to Roman Polankski was an offense to victims of sexual abuse everywhere. Then, \*\*SHUT THE FUCK UP! \*\*

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**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-colin-farell-been-charged-with-rape/340861/140 "2006-01-23T10:21:05Z")

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> [@glee](#):
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> I’ve not seen the movie, but I’d like to object to it. :mad:
> 
> As the prosecuting lawyer in the obscenity trial of ‘Lady Chatterley’s Lover’ said “Would you let your wife or servant read this book?!” :eek:
> 
> I’d quote the SDMB motto here, but I don’t know what it is. 😕

And a member of the House of Lords whose name I don’t know was understood to remark that he wasn’t concerned about either his wife or his servants, but he really didn’t want the book getting into the hands of his gamekeeper. 😃

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