# Why hasn't DSK's accuser been deported? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623 "2011-08-22T05:34:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OscarGold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e95f7d/32.png) [@OscarGold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OscarGold)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/1 "2011-08-22T05:34:20Z")
Or at least why haven’t the proceedings to begin the process of deporting her, why hasn’t that begun? We are talking about an admitted immigration fraudster here. I particularly do not like her because she has the audacity to come to our country and use our legal system to be a rabble-rouser, a victimcrat, a professional grievance-monger. We barely tolerate our own citizens who are like that, why should we tolerate an illegal immigrant who does it? Her face also grosses me out. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/2 "2011-08-22T05:55:53Z")
Because, until the stuff is 100% dealt with, she’s a necessary witness. And, honestly, with your description, I’m surprised you think deportation is the best option. Honestly, those who falsely cry rape should get more than just sent back home. That said, I would love it if someone could provide a link with more details. All I can find is information that they are dropping the case (after saying last month that they weren’t going to), but not why. I assume we have a little more information than that, based on the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/3 "2011-08-22T06:20:14Z")
I think the penalty for falsely accusing someone of rape should be whatever the maximum penalty the accused rapist would have received if convicted based on this false accusation. I would also be in favor of having that individual’s full name, address, place of employment and other personal details published for the public record - _and_ that the snake in question be prohibited from changing legal names. People who do this are the lowest of the low…they ought to have their lives totally destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/4 "2011-08-22T06:37:48Z")
How do you prove a false accusation? Rape is already a tremendously under reported and under prosecuted crime as it is. If you want to be a rapist, your odds of getting away with it are better than even. If you want to threaten victims with prosecution if they don’t succeed in court at prosecuting a crime that’s already very hard to prosecute, then you might as well just legalize rape because you will terrify victims out of even trying. It would be nice if the posters on this board had one tenth the outrage for actual rapes, which are epidemic in society as they do for the mostly theoretical “false accusers.” I’ll care about false accusers when I see rapists getting prosecuted in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/5 "2011-08-22T06:49:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It would be nice if the posters on this board had one tenth the outrage for actual rapes, which are epidemic in society as they do for the mostly theoretical “false accusers.” You’re right. I’ll start. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! RAPE!!! IT’S A FUCKING OUTRAGE! ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/6 "2011-08-22T09:36:01Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I think the penalty for falsely accusing someone of rape should be whatever the maximum penalty the accused rapist would have received if convicted based on this false accusation. I would also be in favor of having that individual’s full name, address, place of employment and other personal details published for the public record - _and_ that the snake in question be prohibited from changing legal names. > > People who do this are the lowest of the low…they ought to have their lives totally destroyed. Yeah, because rapes are always prosecuted to the fullest, and the victim is never, ever blamed. Isn’t it bad enough that the victim is sometimes made to [apologize to the rapist?](http://rt.com/usa/news/school-rape-missouri-republic-324/) Isn’t it bad enough that men who [rape on college campuses](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124111931&ps=rs) can expect very mild punishment, if any? The rapists are NOT expelled, they might have to go to alcohol rehab. What if [the cops](http://cryrapebook.com/) who are supposed to investigate the crime decide that the woman is lying? I can dig up a hundred more examples. False rape accusations occur no more frequently than false accusations of other crimes. However, rape is vastly underreported. I’ll get behind the “people who falsely cry rape deserve the same sentence as rapists” when other false accusations also draw the same sentence as the accused crime. Or when serial rapists are actually locked up for life, NO parole. Or when serial rapists get the death penalty. I’d be good with that. Rapists already get away with their crime too often. I don’t want to put more obstacles in the way of victims who actually summon up the courage to report the crime. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/7 "2011-08-22T09:38:58Z")
Oh, and this is what rape survivors are expected to do, according to some people: > [@](#): > > In a display of extreme disrespect for a rape survivor and disregard for her well-being, school officials insisted that H.S. had to scream “Rakheem” with the rest of the cheerleaders, or she’d be kicked off the squad. School officials also pushed H.S. “to keep a low profile, such as avoiding the school cafeteria and not taking part in homecoming activities.” She refused these instructions and lost her spot as a cheerleader. See, the guy (who pleaded guilty to a lesser assault charge) didn’t lose any of his privileges, nor was he expected to keep a low profile. He should have been expelled from the team, if not expelled from school. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/8 "2011-08-22T11:46:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How do you prove a false accusation? **Rape is already a tremendously under reported and under prosecuted crime as it is. If you want to be a rapist, your odds of getting away with it are better than even**. If you want to threaten victims with prosecution if they don’t succeed in court at prosecuting a crime that’s already very hard to prosecute, then you might as well just legalize rape because you will terrify victims out of even trying. > > It would be nice if the posters on this board had one tenth the outrage for actual rapes, which are epidemic in society as they do for the mostly theoretical “false accusers.” I’ll care about false accusers when I see rapists getting prosecuted in the first place. Sorry, but your well known expertise on rape and sexual crimes prosecuting procedure lets you down here. If anything the opposite is true. Far too many sexual accusations are prosecuted when the case should have never left the complaint room at the police station. And then people are surprised at the low rate of conviction. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/9 "2011-08-22T12:27:03Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Sorry, but your well known expertise on rape and sexual crimes prosecuting procedure lets you down here. > > If anything the opposite is true. Far too many sexual accusations are prosecuted when the case should have never left the complaint room at the police station. And then people are surprised at the low rate of conviction. I really dont know if that’s true, but one thing for certain, it is cretinous in the extreme to go on lynch mob mode for every rape accusations, to make up for the unaccounted rapes that should have been reported and prosecuted. A rape accusation can ruin your life, and you cant do shit about it. If that’s some comfort for rape victimes, there’s something seriously fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/10 "2011-08-22T13:21:43Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > I really dont know if that’s true, but one thing for certain, it is cretinous in the extreme to go on lynch mob mode for every rape accusations, to make up for the unaccounted rapes that should have been reported and prosecuted. > A rape accusation can ruin your life, and you cant do shit about it. If that’s some comfort for rape victimes, there’s something seriously fucked up. That is true of most crimes. There was a study in England which estimated that something like 9/10 thefts, 6/10 for battery and assualts are never punished. I would be very surprised if it was different in America. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/11 "2011-08-22T13:34:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It would be nice if the posters on this board had one tenth the outrage for actual rapes, which are epidemic in society as they do for the mostly theoretical “false accusers.” I’ll care about false accusers when I see rapists getting prosecuted in the first place. You are very wrong that false rape accusations is “mostly theoretical.” Also, the reason actual rapes are so under proesecuted is not because of a lack of willingness to prosecute. It’s because the crime is so often not reported. Even when it is reported, it’s difficult to prove. I dont agree with the comment about how an unprovem rape accusation should be automatic jail time for the accuser. I like living in a country where the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Making a false report already IS a crime, the penalty for which is appropriate in my opinion. If enough evidence exists to prove a person made a malcious false claim of rape, they should be prosecuted accordingly. I don’t believe this is unprecedented. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/12 "2011-08-22T13:35:12Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > You’re right. I’ll start. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! RAPE!!! > > IT’S A FUCKING OUTRAGE! As a matter of fact it is. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/13 "2011-08-22T13:36:19Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If anything the opposite is true. Far too many sexual accusations are prosecuted when the case should have never left the complaint room at the police station, This is a complete load of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/14 "2011-08-22T13:39:10Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > A rape accusation can ruin your life. Odds are very slim that being accused of rape will ruin anyone’s life, even if (as is almost always the case), the accusation is true. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/15 "2011-08-22T13:45:04Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > You are very wrong that false rape accusations is “mostly theoretical.” The ratio of false accusations to actual rapes, both reported and unreported, is miniscule. Rape is a real social problem. False accusations are anomalies, yet every time the subject of rape comes up on this board, it ALWAYS degenerates into a bunch of handwringing about false accusations. > [@](#): > > Also, the reason actual rapes are so under proesecuted is not because of a lack of willingness to prosecute. It’s because the crime is so often not reported. Even when it is reported, it’s difficult to prove. I said both of those things myself. Most rapes never get reported. Most rapists never suffer any consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/16 "2011-08-22T13:47:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Odds are very slim that being accused of rape will ruin anyone’s life, even if (as is almost always the case), the accusation is true. Odds were very slim that a heretic introduced to the Inquisition wouldnt be guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/17 "2011-08-22T13:55:41Z")
So your saying that guilty rapists are persecution victims? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/18 "2011-08-22T13:59:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is a complete load of shit. Then show some evidence it is. Show that most rape are “unreported”. Which my own experience working in criminal justice shows is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/19 "2011-08-22T14:06:52Z")
It’s as easy as [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Under_reporting): > [@](#): > > According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] > > The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says “Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police.”[6] And how would your experience show you when rapes were NOT being reported? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/20 "2011-08-22T14:08:28Z")
Anecdotally, practically everybody knows women who have been raped, and practically none of those rapes were reported. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623.md?page=2)