# Why hasn't DSK's accuser been deported? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623 "2011-08-22T05:34:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/101 "2011-08-25T17:57:12Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > “I don’t agree that numerically that is the case”. > > “Convince me otherwise with some hard data.” > > I didn’t realize that you were ignorant of the thousands of black men lynched on false charges of raping white women. > > Go to a library and you’ll find plenty of evidence of this. > > By contrast I’m not aware of white people getting lynched after falsely being accused of rape. > > Now if you want to argue that historically black men have not historically been persecuted and falsely accused of rape by white men who were felt threatened by them then go ahead. This line of argument is ridiculous. Can you try perhaps to confine your relevant facts to, say, the last three decades? No one is getting lynched, and no one is afraid of getting lynched, white or black. What people are afraid of is the potential reputation hit involved in a false rape charge, because for every high-profile athlete or rich guy that gets off scott-free, there are dozens of guys who are regarded as scum and villains before the trial even starts. Are you seriously arguing the only justification for worrying about false rape charges is something that hasn’t happened with any notable frequency for around forty years? ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/102 "2011-08-25T18:02:29Z")
I was attacked in my college dorm room when I was 19. My room door was unlocked - it was 5pm, in a girls-only dorm, and I was expecting my roommate home from work at any minute. I had the stereo on pretty loudly, and was standing with my back to the door. I didn’t even know he was in the room until he grabbed my throat. He choked me until I passed out and pulled a pillowcase over my head. I regained consciousness in time to fight him off of me. As I got the pillowcase off of my head I got a glimpse of him going out the door. I reported it to the dorm mother, who didn’t take me seriously in spite of the fact my throat was so swollen I could hardly breathe. The next week, he got into the same dorm. He attacked another girl, raping and sodimizing her after breaking her jaw. He raped a 76-year old woman. He raped a woman in the basement of the church where she worked. He was caught trying to rape a Japanese woman who spoke no English and had been in the country less than 48 hours. If the school administration had listened to me, at least the other student might have been spared. But they didn’t. Her fiance broke up with her because “she had sex with a black man”. Her rectum was so damaged it required surgery. Interesting side note: the guy was caught because a neighbor of the Japanese lady saw him dragging the lady toward her home. The neighbor realized the lady didn’t know anyone in the country other than her husband, so she called the police. When the guy got to the police station, one of the charges filed against him was “resisting arrest”. He was a bloodly mess. One of the officers who responded to the neighbor’s call was his brother. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/103 "2011-08-25T18:04:51Z")
Why do so many people believe that the issue with DSK and his accuser is bi-lateral? Just because they dropped the charges doesn’t mean he didn’t do it or that she falsely accused him. It meant that she’s an unreliable witness and that any defense attorney worth his salt would poke holes in her story. It doesn’t mean that she wasn’t sexually assaulted. It just can’t be proven in a court. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/104 "2011-08-25T18:31:10Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This line of argument is ridiculous. Can you try perhaps to confine your relevant facts to, say, the last three decades? > > No one is getting lynched, and no one is afraid of getting lynched, white or black. What people are afraid of is the potential reputation hit involved in a false rape charge, because for every high-profile athlete or rich guy that gets off scott-free, there are dozens of guys who are regarded as scum and villains before the trial even starts. > > Are you seriously arguing the only justification for worrying about false rape charges is something that hasn’t happened with any notable frequency for around forty years? Huh, I never said present day blacks were more likely to be falsely accused of rape than whites. I merely said it was more understandable for black men to be afraid of this than white men because historically thousands of blacks have been murdered on the basis of such false charges. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/105 "2011-08-25T18:36:10Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > No, had Diallo been white the media would not have recklessly thrown around charges she was a prostitute. > > Similarly if Natalie Holloway had been black, no one would know who she was. That’s completely disingenuous. The DSK case didnt start with Diallo, it started with DSK. For the whole beginning of the show, people didnt even know who his accuser was (I wonder at what point people learned that she was Guinean, but I think he had already done his perp walk and first hearing before the judge.) And I dont know who Nathalie Holloway is. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/106 "2011-08-25T18:45:20Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You should probably look up the data to back up your claim yourself. > > According to [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States)So it’s about 1,000 charges of rape, total. Question is how many of these charges were false accusations. For starters wikipedia is an extremely shitty source to use. Moreover, as numerous scholars have pointed out the actual number of lychings that occurred probably far exceeds the actual number documented by the Tuskeegee Institute because not all murders of black people that took place in the rural South would be recorded for a variety of reasons. It also ignored those who’d been murdered and had their bodies disposed of since their deaths were never recorded. People may remember when the authorities were looking for Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney they found the bodies of several blacks who hadn’t even been reported murdered. As to your last suggestion that many of those charges were genuine rather than false charges by white men who felt sexually threatened by black men… Please. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/107 "2011-08-25T18:45:39Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > “I don’t agree that numerically that is the case”. > > “Convince me otherwise with some hard data.” > > I didn’t realize that you were ignorant of the thousands of black men lynched on false charges of raping white women. > > Go to a library and you’ll find plenty of evidence of this. > > By contrast I’m not aware of white people getting lynched after falsely being accused of rape. > > Now if you want to argue that historically black men have not historically been persecuted and falsely accused of rape by white men who were felt threatened by them then go ahead. Yes, but those numbers are only half the battle. Let’s say we can find 2,000 cases of false accusations leveled against black men involving white women. If we can find 900,000 cases of false accusations leveled against white men, then it remains true that white mens’ concerns are not ridiculous. Your argument seems to be an “everyone knows” type thing. I am suggesting, on a board supposedly interested in fighting ignorance, that “everyone knows” is not a valid basis for forming an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/108 "2011-08-25T18:47:00Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > For starters wikipedia is an extremely shitty source to use. > > Moreover, as numerous scholars have pointed out the actual number of lychings that occurred probably far exceeds the actual number documented by the Tuskeegee Institute because not all murders of black people that took place in the rural South would be recorded for a variety of reasons. It also ignored those who’d been murdered and had their bodies disposed of since their deaths were never recorded. People may remember when the authorities were looking for Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney they found the bodies of several blacks who hadn’t even been reported murdered. So what’s the better source? Wikipedia, flawed, is at least a source. Yours seems to be your mind. Can you give us something to read? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/109 "2011-08-25T19:00:08Z")
Ok, if you can show me evidence of thousands of whites being murdered on false charges of rape we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/110 "2011-08-25T19:04:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So what’s the better source? Wikipedia, flawed, is at least a source. > > Yours seems to be your mind. Can you give us something to read? Again, I did not realize that people questioned the idea that massive numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of being raped. Since you’re demanding a source I’d recommend reading up on Ida B. Wells, Herbert Guttman, Eric Foner, Henry Louis Gates and others. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/111 "2011-08-25T19:19:11Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Again, I did not realize that people questioned the idea that massive numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of being raped. > > Since you’re demanding a source I’d recommend reading up on Ida B. Wells, Herbert Guttman, Eric Foner, Henry Louis Gates and others. Throwing out authors’ names isn’t a cite. Have your read up on these, and if so, do you have a cite from there? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/112 "2011-08-25T19:21:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Ok, if you can show me evidence of thousands of whites being murdered on false charges of rape we’ll talk. Why does the consequence have to be death for it to matter? Or is this part of your “hysterics” line of strawmen? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/113 "2011-08-25T20:23:57Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > As to your last suggestion that many of those charges were genuine rather than false charges by white men who felt sexually threatened by black men… Please. Are you saying that no blacks raped women between 1882 and 1968? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/114 "2011-08-26T01:26:51Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Ok, if you can show me evidence of thousands of whites being murdered on false charges of rape we’ll talk. Sure. I suggest you read up on reports from American Prosecutors Research Institute, Kanin, Alex Knepper, Mahri Irvine, and others. (Just listing authors’ names is still a valid cite when I do it, right?) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/115 "2011-08-26T01:27:53Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Again, I did not realize that people questioned the idea that massive numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of being raped. > > Since you’re demanding a source I’d recommend reading up on Ida B. Wells, Herbert Guttman, Eric Foner, Henry Louis Gates and others. OK, read them all, found nothing to support your claims. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/116 "2011-08-26T02:41:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. I suggest you read up on reports from American Prosecutors Research Institute, Kanin, Alex Knepper, Mahri Irvine, and others. > > (Just listing authors’ names is still a valid cite when I do it, right?) Do they actually claim that massive numbers of white men have been murdered after being falsely accused of rape. > [@](#): > > OK, read them all, found nothing to support your claims. You’re making a statement which is demonstrably false because, to take just one of the authors, Wells’ _Southern Horrors Lynch Law in All Its Phases_ and _A Red Record_, details how massive numbers of black men were murdered by white men upset at them sleeping with white women and falsely accusing them of rape. You clearly need to work on your reading comprehension skills. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/117 "2011-08-26T03:38:22Z")
I see we’re still hung up on murders, as though the social penalties in a great many groups for being an accused sexual offender were somehow utterly meaningless because some other people suffered more at some arbitrary point in history. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/118 "2011-08-26T22:37:01Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Really? I don’t really see that. I see people saying the idea of punishing this woman simply because the prosecution dropped the case is bullshit. No, I agree with that. What I am saying was in response to other posters saying that “he probably did it.” If you did a background check at your workplace and found that a potential employee had the line that I made up in my last post (which Bricker corrected the spelling as Nolle Prosequi) then what would you think? And be honest. You would think that he was a rapist that got off on some technicality. That line in his criminal report doesn’t distinguish between “completely innocent” and “rapist who hired a good lawyer.” Therefore criminal dismissals still “punish” innocent people. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/119 "2011-08-27T02:42:20Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You’re making a statement which is demonstrably false because, to take just one of the authors, Wells’ _Southern Horrors Lynch Law in All Its Phases_ and _A Red Record_, details how massive numbers of black men were murdered by white men upset at them sleeping with white women and falsely accusing them of rape. No it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/120 "2011-08-27T14:23:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No it doesn’t. Obiously I’m not permitted to say you are lying so I’ll just have to say what you’ve done is the equivalent of claiming you read Ellie Wiesel’s Night and that it doesn’t detail a young man’s life during the Holocaust. I recommend anyone who thinks for two seconds that Bricked is correct about Ida P. Wells’ work to go down to the local library and read them. As for Bricker, … well for his sake I hope he’s never ridiculed Holocaust Deniers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623.md?page=7)