# Why hasn't DSK's accuser been deported? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623 "2011-08-22T05:34:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/121 "2011-08-27T14:37:39Z")
I’m more than a little amused that one off-the-cuff remark I made would cause people to waste a page and a half of this thread arguing that blacks have not historically had more reason to fear false rape accusations and that some would try and deny that massive numbers of black Americans were murdered following false accusations of rape. Anyway back to the initial topic. Yes, some men are occasionally arrested and falsely charged with rape as people from North Carolina can testify to, but it’s ridiculous just how many men on this site are paranoid about being falsely accused of rape. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/122 "2011-08-27T18:04:01Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m more than a little amused that one off-the-cuff remark I made would cause people to waste a page and a half of this thread arguing that blacks have not historically had more reason to fear false rape accusations and that some would try and deny that massive numbers of black Americans were murdered following false accusations of rape. The only thing anyone was questioning was its irrelevance in 2011 and your reasons for bringing it up. > [@](#): > > Anyway back to the initial topic. Yes, some men are occasionally arrested and falsely charged with rape as people from North Carolina can testify to, but it’s ridiculous just how many men on this site are paranoid about being falsely accused of rape. I think it’s significantly more ridiculous that you can’t apparently tell the difference between “paranoid” and “cautious of a rare but not unheard-of danger”. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/123 "2011-08-27T18:09:59Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Obiously I’m not permitted to say you are lying so I’ll just have to say what you’ve done is the equivalent of claiming you read Ellie Wiesel’s Night and that it doesn’t detail a young man’s life during the Holocaust. > > I recommend anyone who thinks for two seconds that Bricked is correct about Ida P. Wells’ work to go down to the local library and read them. > > As for Bricker, … well for his sake I hope he’s never ridiculed Holocaust Deniers. Never. But I sure can’t find the passage you’re talking about. I don’t think it’s there. Where is it? A cite doesn’t involve saying an author’s name and the title of a work and demanding that your audience reads the entire book, searching vainly for the information (or inference) you claim it has. So – maybe someone else will go down to the local library and read the book. For now, you have not documented your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/124 "2011-08-27T20:37:05Z")
He’s right, **Bricker** , and anybody who’s paying attention knows you’re being dishonest about this. The [entire pamphlet](http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14975/14975-h/14975-h.htm#THE_OFFENSE) is about the phenomenon he’s talking about. It would be literally impossible for anybody to look for such a “passage” and not find it. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/125 "2011-08-27T22:00:36Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > He’s right, **Bricker** , and anybody who’s paying attention knows you’re being dishonest about this. > > The [entire pamphlet](http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14975/14975-h/14975-h.htm#THE_OFFENSE) is about the phenomenon he’s talking about. It would be literally impossible for anybody to look for such a “passage” and not find it. In fairness to **Bricker** , we pretty much don’t let anyone get away with “read/watch this entire thing that I’m not going to summarize or quote from, it’s my cite”. **Ibn Warraq** ’s been around long enough to know that’s not how cites work. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/126 "2011-08-27T23:18:22Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I doubt if this is true. Especially as she most likely is one. Cite? I haven’t seen any definitive evidence that Diallo is/was a prostitute. Obviously none of us can know what happened, but Diallo’s story is very convincing, IMO. Every detail of it sounds like other reports of rape/assault that I’ve heard from women over the years. And if people want to include everything she’s ever done in with condemning her, they need to do the same for DSK. This isn’t the first time he’s been accused of sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/127 "2011-08-27T23:29:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > In fairness to **Bricker** , we pretty much don’t let anyone get away with “read/watch this entire thing that I’m not going to summarize or quote from, it’s my cite”. > > **Ibn Warraq** ’s been around long enough to know that’s not how cites work. Bricker made a moronic, demonstrably false statement and continues to make demonstrably false statements. Anyone who claims they’ve read Wells’ pamphlets and doesn’t see such references is lying or astronomically stupid. Since I’m required to assume he’s being truthful I’ll have to assume the latter is the case with him. Beyond that demanding a “cite” for proof that countless numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of rape is the equivalent of demanding a “cite” that the Holocaust occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/128 "2011-08-27T23:38:46Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The only thing anyone was questioning was its irrelevance in 2011 and your reasons for bringing it up. Actually, several posters have gone much farther and either denied it happened or insisted whites have historically been just as likely to be falsely accused. For myself, I don’t think that particularly sordid chapter is all that relevant EXCEPT for the fact that it makes it more understandable for black men to be more nervous about false accusations of rape because, within living memory, American blacks used to routinely be murdered on such spurious charges. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/129 "2011-08-28T03:03:32Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > He’s right, **Bricker** , and anybody who’s paying attention knows you’re being dishonest about this. > > The [entire pamphlet](http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14975/14975-h/14975-h.htm#THE_OFFENSE) is about the phenomenon he’s talking about. It would be literally impossible for anybody to look for such a “passage” and not find it. But it didn’t. Why don’t you quote the section you feel demonstrates the point’ and I’ll show you why it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/130 "2011-08-28T03:05:35Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Bricker made a moronic, demonstrably false statement and continues to make demonstrably false statements. > > Anyone who claims they’ve read Wells’ pamphlets and doesn’t see such references is lying or astronomically stupid. > > Since I’m required to assume he’s being truthful I’ll have to assume the latter is the case with him. > > Beyond that demanding a “cite” for proof that countless numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of rape is the equivalent of demanding a “cite” that the Holocaust occurred. The pamphlet definitely lists instances of rape accusations and lynchings. That wasn’t the claim, though. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/131 "2011-08-28T03:22:38Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Anyway back to the initial topic. Yes, some men are occasionally arrested and falsely charged with rape as people from North Carolina can testify to, but it’s ridiculous just how many men on this site are paranoid about being falsely accused of rape. Darn, last time it was “white guys”, now it’s male Dopers. Make up your mind (or do you actually confuse them?) P.S: does that mean if someone is a black male Doper, it’s ok to be afraid of rape accusations, according to the Ibn Warraq Great book of Law? ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/132 "2011-08-28T03:25:08Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > Obviously none of us can know what happened, but Diallo’s story is very convincing, IMO. cause > [@Indygrrl](#): > > Every detail of it sounds like other reports of rape/assault that I’ve heard from women over the years. Lol. You remind me of **OM4th**. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/133 "2011-08-28T05:43:48Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Darn, last time it was “white guys”, now it’s male Dopers. Make up your mind (or do you actually confuse them?) > > P.S: does that mean if someone is a black male Doper, it’s ok to be afraid of rape accusations, according to the Ibn Warraq Great book of Law? Considering the way black men have historically been treated in America that’s far more understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/134 "2011-08-28T05:46:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The pamphlet definitely lists instances of rape accusations and lynchings. > > That wasn’t the claim, though. BTW, you claim you’ve read Gutmann. Which of his books and essays have you read. Not trolling, just asking because I’m glad some people still read him and I’d love to compare notes. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/135 "2011-08-28T06:55:23Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Lol. > You remind me of **OM4th**. I have been working with a lot of women, and providing entertainment for men for 15 years or so, and throughout that time I’ve heard countless stories of sexual assault. I’ve also witnessed firsthand the entitled attitudes of cocky men with fancy jobs and money. I know how they talk, and I know how they behave when they start to get aggressive. You don’t have to believe me, and I’m not trying to use anecdotal evidence as a cite, but when I say Diallo’s story rings true for me that opinion isn’t being pulled out of my ass. (Not that OM4th’s opinions are) I also believe women when they say they’ve been assaulted and/or raped. There just isn’t evidence of all these false rape allegations that people always bring up. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/136 "2011-08-28T08:32:55Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > BTW, you claim you’ve read Gutmann. Which of his books and essays have you read. > > Not trolling, just asking because I’m glad some people still read him and I’d love to compare notes. The Black Family in Freedom and Slavery. Very well researched and documented. But he doesn’t say what you claim. And the problem is your imprecise wording, not his excellent research. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/137 "2011-08-28T10:28:37Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > Cite? I haven’t seen any definitive evidence that Diallo is/was a prostitute All I said is “most likely”. “Definitive evidence” is not the proper standard. Based on the conflicting stories and evidence I’ve seen ISTM most likely that there was a consensual encounter, in which case, considering the people involved and the short time span, it was most likely a paid encounter. That plus the all-purpose grifty history of Ms. Diallo (welfare and tax fraud) plus the NY Post’s source adds up to “most likely” IMO. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Hustle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@Hustle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hustle)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/138 "2011-08-28T10:37:07Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > I also believe women when they say they’ve been assaulted and/or raped. There just isn’t evidence of all these false rape allegations that people always bring up. Do you believe her gang rape story as well? Her admitting to fabricating that rape would be evidence of its falsehood. This is not people alluding to how women in general _might_ lie about being raped. This is not about how she could _in theory_ lie about being raped. This is a case where the woman by her own admission \*did \*lie to prosecutors about being raped. And by all accounts she did so very convincingly, tears and all. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/139 "2011-08-28T15:09:09Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > All I said is “most likely”. “Definitive evidence” is not the proper standard. > > Based on the conflicting stories and evidence I’ve seen ISTM most likely that there was a consensual encounter, in which case, considering the people involved and the short time span, it was most likely a paid encounter. That plus the all-purpose grifty history of Ms. Diallo (welfare and tax fraud) plus the NY Post’s source adds up to “most likely” IMO. YMMV. I’m not sure what makes you think that it was “most likely” a “consensual encounter”. Beyond that, the “the NY Post’s source” was a member of the defense team who refused to even provide evidence for his claim or give his name. That hardly strikes me as a reliable source. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623/140 "2011-08-28T15:49:27Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > I also believe women when they say they’ve been assaulted and/or raped. There just isn’t evidence of all these false rape allegations that people always bring up. Did you believe Crystal Mangum when she accused the whiite, entitled, aggresive lacrosse players at Duke of rape? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-dsks-accuser-been-deported/593623.md?page=8)