# Why hasn't the Neighborhood Watch shooter been arrested? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 12, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504 "2012-03-12T00:53:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2481 "2012-03-30T02:49:33Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > from here > Trayvon Martin Investigation > [http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon\_martin.html](http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html) > > George Zimmerman 911 Call History > [http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/911CallHistory.pdf](http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/911CallHistory.pdf) This guy is crazy. He called 911 that many times for every minor little thing he saw? Potholes, people driving poorly, people having arguments, in his complex, at shopping centers, people having a party, etc. Dude seriously needed a different hobby. Also, some of the locations are listed as other complexes - was he out patrolling other neighborhoods? weird… ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2482 "2012-03-30T02:51:09Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Explain what to me? What part of what I said is controversial? > > If the cops saw blood on Zimmerman’s head and he’s telling them the kid dribbled his head on the sidewalk like a basketball, are you seriously telling me the cops should just shrug if the guy refuses to see a doctor? They seems to some controversy about how many times Martin hit Zimmerman. Some of the newspaper headlines seem to be misleading about what happened. Look at the Sentinel article. [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326\_1\_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager) The headline says: > [@](#): > > **Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head** It isn’t specific about how many times Martin hit Zimmerman head against the sidewalk but it might lead a reader to infer several times. The article says: > [@](#): > > With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel. This sounds like one time. > [@](#): > > Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police. This is more ambiguous, but could still be a single blow. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2483 "2012-03-30T02:53:26Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I never said the cops would force him to receive accept medical treatment against their consent. > > I said they would need to tell him medical evaluation is indicated, and if he still refuses, then having him sign an official declination form would be warranted so that it’s on the record. > > Do you still dispute this? In law enforcement, things like this are supposed to be documented. They just\* document\* that. No one needs to sign anything at least around here. Gangster Octopus is correct, but it’s the EMT’s who would note " “EMTs on scene suggested Mr. Zimmerman be taken to the emergency room for further evaluation but Mr. Zimmerman declined further treatment.” ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2484 "2012-03-30T02:54:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They just\* document\* that. No one needs to sign anything at least around here. Gangster Octopus is correct, but it’s the EMT’s who would note " “EMTs on scene suggested Mr. Zimmerman be taken to the emergency room for further evaluation but Mr. Zimmerman declined further treatment.” We have yet to see the EMTs report. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2485 "2012-03-30T03:01:08Z")
> **[Trayvon Martin killing: witness says he saw Zimmerman walk away uninjured](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured?newsfeed=true)** > > Account contradicts allegation from Zimmerman's father that Trayvon Martin left his son with injuries including a broken nose [http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Witness-details-Trayvon-Martin-s-killing/-/1719418/9755536/-/bkkgjyz/-/](http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Witness-details-Trayvon-Martin-s-killing/-/1719418/9755536/-/bkkgjyz/-/) These two stories are essentially the same thing. They talk about a new eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman get up and walk away and not appear to be hurt. Witness is not named. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2486 "2012-03-30T03:01:29Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > And this why I have _more_ than a low grade problem with you. > > Notice the questions in the post that you responded to? As in those sentences that end with the curly looking punctuation marks? I specifically asked \*\* DrDeth\*\* to clarify what he’s taking issue with. There is no need for me to acknowledge an error when no errors were being made. Well, **You** - you seem to be a rather smart person, but you have zero, zilch, nada knowledge of the law. True, I bow respectfully towards **Bricker** , but if you find yourself about to post some _legal_ opinion here on this issue, I ask you to consider your batting record, which is 0.000. You _non_-legal opinion is certainly as good as anyone elses. I want to point out this is exactly how my father died. He was sick, they called the paramedics, who came. They suggested strongly he be transported to the hospital, he declined. He was lucid, so they simply noted that & that he refused transport on their call record and left. My lawyer said there was nothing that could be done. As long as you are lucid, a adult and consious , they can;t force you to the hospital against your will. Well, not without a judges order or something. Now come on, you are all about Civil Rights. Would you really want to live in a nation where they could just say “Ok, I don’t care what he says, he’s sick, we’re taking him in against his will”. Think of the possible abuses. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2487 "2012-03-30T03:04:14Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > We have yet to see the EMTs report. Yes, i know that- I was clearly suggesting a hypothetical. But, now, they _didn’t_ transport him, now did they? You did see that video of Zimmerman at the police station, arriving in a Police car, not a ambulance, right?😕 I have no idea the extent of his injuries, they also could have said “Ah, don’t be such a big crybaby, you’re fine”. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2488 "2012-03-30T03:08:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, i know that- I was clearly suggesting a hypothetical. But, now, they _didn’t_ transport him, now did they? You did see that video of Zimmerman at the police station, arriving in a Police car, not a ambulance, right?😕 Yes. But the EMTs treated him at the scene, they must file a report when they do that, and in that report they would document the injuries they treated. That report would trump the grainy video. Unless, of course, someone thinks that Sanford paramedics are in cahoots with the police and both for some reason love Zimmerman so much they are willing to falsify official records. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2489 "2012-03-30T03:09:52Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I already noticed that the time only on screen only updates when they switch cameras. I have no idea if that is a bug or a feature or simply that the person that leaked the video didn’t know how to operate the system. Maybe someone who is familiar with security systems could provide more information? > > Another interesting question is whether the Sanford PD stores their security video for a month or if someone realized it might be valuable and stole a copy earlier? It seems obvious that it’s a leak. If it were an official release, they could have released a file to abc. But that some guy with a camera standing in front of a monitor. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2490 "2012-03-30T03:10:51Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes. But the EMTs treated him at the scene, they must file a report when they do that, and in that report they would document the injuries they treated. That report would trump the grainy video. Unless, of course, someone thinks that Sanford paramedics are in cahoots with the police and both for some reason love Zimmerman so much they are willing to falsify official records. Yes, and that report, along with the ME’s report, the ballistics report and the CSI report have not been yet released …or leaked. :rolleyes: There’s so many leaks in Sanford that they make the fucking Titanic look seaworthy. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2491 "2012-03-30T03:12:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and that report, along with the ME’s report, the ballistics report and the CSI report have not been yet released …or leaked. :rolleyes: There’s so many leaks in Sanford that they make the fucking Titanic look seaworthy. Someone seems to be feeling the need to cya. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2492 "2012-03-30T03:14:34Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Someone seems to be feeling the need to cya. There’s no tarp in the world, my friend, no tarp in the world. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2493 "2012-03-30T03:29:52Z")
> [@Fat\_Chance](#): > > This guy is crazy. He called 911 that many times for every minor little thing he saw? I think some of those calls are actually to the non-emergency number. ---
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2494 "2012-03-30T03:34:24Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > I think some of those calls are actually to the non-emergency number. Ok, that makes more sense, and I didn’t realize since the file/link said 911 …but still, its just not that normal for a person to be that involved in every little thing. I’m on the board of my townhouse community and we have a couple of retired older people on the board and in the complex that are home all day with nothing to do and therefore see and hear every little thing, and they frustrate the rest of us..but they are still not nearly this bad. I’m not trying to make him guilty of murder based on this, but I find the mindset odd, that there is either some serious anger issues over everything he sees wrong or some hero desire to save the world, in there somewhere that is not so normal in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2495 "2012-03-30T03:57:46Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > It seems obvious that it’s a leak. If it were an official release, they could have released a file to abc. But that some guy with a camera standing in front of a monitor. That would explain the awful quality of the video. I hadn’t considered someone using a camera phone. I just assumed their system was archaic. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2496 "2012-03-30T04:09:00Z")
Maybe the stamp is the part in the record that they searched to rather than an ongoing clock? idk how the storage and retrieval system works. It’s just a thought. ] the more I watchit the more likely I think that is ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2497 "2012-03-30T04:23:26Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > [Trayvon Martin killing: witness says he saw Zimmerman walk away uninjured | Trayvon Martin | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured?newsfeed=true) > [http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Witness-details-Trayvon-Martin-s-killing/-/1719418/9755536/-/bkkgjyz/-/](http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Witness-details-Trayvon-Martin-s-killing/-/1719418/9755536/-/bkkgjyz/-/) > > These two stories are essentially the same thing. They talk about a new eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman get up and walk away and not appear to be hurt. Witness is not named. Since this based on something from something on CNN, so you might as well go to the CNN story. [http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp\_t2](http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t2) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2498 "2012-03-30T04:27:17Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Since this based on something from something on CNN, so you might as well go to the CNN story. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp\_t2](http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t2) Well, that takes care of the “Zimmerman shot Martin while he was standing in front of him” crowd. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2499 "2012-03-30T04:34:52Z")
[http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/business/os-trayvon-martin-hoa-20120329\_1\_cyber-citizens-homeowner-crime-watch-members](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/business/os-trayvon-martin-hoa-20120329_1_cyber-citizens-homeowner-crime-watch-members) ---
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504/2500 "2012-03-30T04:49:15Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/business/os-trayvon-martin-hoa-20120329\_1\_cyber-citizens-homeowner-crime-watch-members](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/business/os-trayvon-martin-hoa-20120329_1_cyber-citizens-homeowner-crime-watch-members) May be a Bricker question, but does the fact that he stated he was on a personal errand absolve the HOA in any way do you think? He wasn’t acting in any capacity or approval of the HOA so how can they be responsible? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hasnt-the-neighborhood-watch-shooter-been-arrested/615504.md?page=126)