# Why hate the Clintons so much? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2003, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076 "2003-06-06T14:03:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bayonet1976](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bayonet1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bayonet1976)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/41 "2003-06-06T17:34:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flonks \* > \*\*Sex! The clintons eradiate an “aura” of sexual satisfaction. Yuk, that must be gross for the religious right 🙂 \*\* While I am sure that Bill gets as much tail as he wants, Hillary has always looked like she hasn’t been laid in years, the pinched mouth, the lines on her forehead, her entire wardrobe and demeanor indicates she probably has cobwebs down there. On the other hand, during the 92 campaing, before she started to look like a young Barbara Bush, I would’ve gladly volunteered to clear those cobwebs. Did I just really type that? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/42 "2003-06-06T17:47:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spoke- \* > \*\*That Bush hasn’t been attacked with equal fervor belies the myth of the “liberal media.” > > There is plenty of ammo. \*\* bingo! ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/43 "2003-06-06T17:50:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrotherCadfael \* > \*\*You may well (in fact, clearly do) have well-articulated reasons to oppose the war. > > However, a substantial part of the anti-war protests, not to mention the anti-globalization protests, were made up of people who detest Bush with the intensity of 1000 suns (to coin a phrase), but when asked why, can only fall back on “well, gee, he’s so dumb”. > \*\* I may have reasons to oppose the war … … Which does not change that I detest Bush with the intensity of 1.000.000 suns 😃 I can’t stand his foolish grin. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/44 "2003-06-06T18:02:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flonks \* > \*\*Can a republican tell me why Clinton being an intellectual could possibly be a reason to hate him? > > I agree on the subject, but I would like to hear on explanation from a republican - I just don’t see anything negative in being an intellectual. > > I understood it with != anyway 🙂 \*\* IANAR, but I was the one who brought up the subject. You left out the most important part: “snobish, I-know-better-than-you” were the adjectives of “intellectual”. You are right, that an intellectual per se should not incite dislike (I prefer that term to hate). It’s the snobish I-know-better-than-you part that is the kicker. ---
**Author:** ![minega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@minega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minega)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/45 "2003-06-06T18:10:37Z")
Im also at loss to understand why Clinton is hated so much, and i ceertainly dont think he ‘radiated arrogance amd snobbishness’ amd he deserved a blowjob by the way. It should be the law of the land for the president to receive them in a regular basis. I give him credit for coming to my country and actually apologising for not doing enough to stop the genocide. Cant picture Bush doing that. I miss his grasp of affairs. He could talk about ANYTHING and come off sounding like an expert. With all due respect to Dubya, he sounds like he knows shit. Ok, enough ass-kissing for one day. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/46 "2003-06-06T18:16:12Z")
I’m going to list “ammo” to be used against Bush. But I don’t want to hijack this thread. I’m just doing this as a demonstration that if the Left wanted to get totally vitriolic about Bush, as the right did about Clinton, this stuff would be ALL OVER the media CONSTANTLY, like it was during Clinton’s term. And if any of you have the damn gall to suggest that the right’s concerns were all matter of great national importance, I’ve got just one word for you: blowjob. Ammo to be used against Bush (note: I will be using the same “standards” in selecting ammo against Bush as the right used in selecting ammo against Clinton (i.e., none at all) just to keep things even: 1. Stole a Presidential election through chicanery and a corrupt Supreme Court 2. Drunk 3. AWOL 4. Hypocritical ex-cocaine abuser who advocates jail for others for doing what he once did 5. Two drunk daughters 6. Illegal financial oil deals with Halliburton 7. Shady dealing with Halliburton via contracts in Iraq 8. Started war for strictly personal reasons 9. Dumb. Frequently makes gaffes in speeches that indicate little or no ability to speak (or think) on his own 10. Sockpuppet for Cheney, Rove and Rumsfield There’s more I’m leaving out, but this will do for starters ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/47 "2003-06-06T18:30:54Z")
Look here on this Board, look at the hatred & attacks of/on Bush. It is part of th enew polaraization of American politcis. It is not enough to simply disagree with your opponent- you must hate & despise him & everything he stands for. More & more, every bill is passed along straight party lines. And, the propaganda machine rolls on- spreading hatred of both. I mean- you can make DAMN sure none of your supporters cross over if the haste & despise the other dudes, right? But if they simply disagree with them, it is possble to find issues where you don’t disagree. This is bad. Sure, I’d say the hatred of Bush hasn’t got quite as unreasoning & personal as that of Clinton- yet. But, it is there, and strongly so. Look at the Reagn years- us Dems didn’t like Reagans policies, but we kinda liked the old dude. Same thing for Johnson & the GOP. Not that this is new, mind you- this sort of polarization existed before in America. It is just that I thought we had grown out of it. Not that the Dems are blameless mind you, but for this I blame the Religious Right- which controls the GOP now. They could not understand why the American public _liked_ Clinton, as Bill was very clearly to them the Antichrist. So they attacked- and we STILL liked him. This infuriated them into frothing apolexy. The Liberals and the radicals, noting how well this worked to keep the faithful as true beleivers, picked up on this, and now they are attacking GWB with the same fury & hatred. The problem is- it ONLY works to keep the faithful in line, it is “preaching to the choir”. Those few of us in the middle react by defending those so unfairly castigated. Hell, I voted against Bush. I think he came very close to stealing the Election. I think his “cut taxes & increase the deficit” plan is sheer economic stupidity. I thought we had no right to _invade_ Iraq. But- read some of my last posts. Dudes come up with stupid, hate filled, and way out there attacks on Bush (like we are in violation of International law, or the Geneva Convention, or Bush is a “war criminal” :rolleyes: ). Well, when you post hate filled biased & WRONG attacks like that- I will flock to “defend the underdog”. Enough of this, and you’ll find me voting for GWB! :dubious: 😃 But seriously- Bush haters- you don’t win anyone over with these threads. Those who agree with you that Bush lied, is a warcriminal, should be impeached, shot & hung- already agree with you. Those of us in the middle- will only be turned off by such rancor & propaganda. You win no converts by such hate- you simply assure the choir stays int he Church. :rolleyes: I guess it is not enough to say “We really should not go to war with a soveriegn nation except in self-defense”. You have to try for points like we violated treaties, International Law, or whatever. You don’t. those of us in the middle won’t be won over by hate filled propaganda attacks- we wil just flock to defend them. Just like what happened with Bill. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/48 "2003-06-06T18:35:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astorian \* > Bill Clinton made the liberal Baby Boomers and the Hollywood Left weak in the knees, too. Again, it’s NOT because of anything he actually accomplished. Rather, they loved him for what he “stood for.” and what he stood for was this: the rise of the Baby Boomers to power! To liberal Boomers, the election of Bill Clinton meant “We’ve made it! He’s one of us! The long-haired, pot-smoking, anti-war hippie generation is in charge now.” > > Not surprisingly, that’s EXACTLY why so many on the Right loathed the man before he’d even taken the oath of office. Just like the Left, the Right looked at Bill Clinton and didn’t see a mere politician. They saw a symbol of the Sixties. They saw a pot-smoking, draft dodging hippie. I think this point deserves more attention. Bill Clinton, IIRC, was America’s first baby-boomer President; he was the first President who was born after “The Great War,” and came of age in the turbulent '60s, the era of Vietnam, free love, rising teen power, yadda yadda yadda. That, plus his non-enlistment in the Vietnam war, rankled a lot of older and conservative voters to him as an embodiment of the “sins of youth,” all the stuff they were already predisposed to hate. Throw in the fact that Clinton was a Washington outsider from a “backwards” state like Arkansas, and you’ve got enough excuses for the radial right to [form conspiracies](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312273193/qid=1054834939/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-5884391-3697548?v=glance&s=books) and tear him down. And I disagree with **astorian’s** assertion that Clinton “made the liberal Baby Boomers and the Hollywood Left weak in the knees.” While there was some satisfaction that Clinton had won the Presidency, a fair number of folks on the left thought he was a bit too conservative (NAFTA and “don’t ask/don’t tell” come to mind), and only grudingly supported him out of party loyalty. Having health care reform shot down early in his first term didn’t help things any. From an idealogical standpoint, I think Clinton was slightly right of being in the moderate middle, and only looks “liberal” when compared with what the GOP has to offer. ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/49 "2003-06-06T18:45:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > \*\* It is part of th enew polaraization of American politcis. \*\* Sometimes I ask myself how Arnie copes with Maria and the other way around 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/50 "2003-06-06T19:06:06Z")
I think another factor was Hillary. While Ellinor, Betty and Barbara were fairly strong and visible first ladies, America had never quite seen anyone like Hillary. “President Hillary” was an epithet that was bandied about quite a lot. This probably rankled people with “traditional values” quite a bit. Makes me wonder that if she wins the presidency, the collective Far Right will have a collective stroke. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/51 "2003-06-06T19:27:03Z")
Much of this was discussed in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158458&highlight=what+about+clinton) thread earlier this year. ---
**Author:** ![occ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8c91f0/32.png) [@occ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/occ)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/52 "2003-06-06T20:44:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flonks \* > \*\*I know that Michael Moore is not respected in this forum but his argument in this matter convinced me: > > Sex! The clintons eradiate an “aura” of sexual satisfaction. Yuk, that must be gross for the religious right 🙂 \*\* This is about as astute as Moore’s other observations on human nature. Hey, why analyze a complex reality when a glib answer will get you points from the choir? ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/53 "2003-06-06T22:55:38Z")
I have something special that a lot of you have never seen, an honest, politically active and astute, well-connected Republican friend. He told me straight up in 1996, just after Clinton won re-election, that what pissed off a great many _influential_ people about Clinton was his uncanny ability to spot the good parts of Republican policy, co-opt it for himself, make it populist, and make it work, while making the Republicans themselves look bad at the same time. He also had no compunctions at all about avoiding the ambushes the Republicans set up for him, and I think that pissed them off as well. He stole the middle of the road, plain and simple. He was the best Republican President we ever had. A couple quick examples: - When Republicans clubbed Clinton’s health care plan to death early on, _Clinton left it alone_. I’m being serious when I say my friend thought that it was dishonorable for Clinton to give up and move on, even though it was the GOP that tried to turn the issue into a political football. - When a bitter Republican Congress went after Clinton in the winter of 1996, after he won re-election, Clinton went to the mat and allowed the government to be shut down for 22 days. His compromise? A seven-year balanced budget plan. Clinton embraced that constriction and made sure to take credit for it at every turn. It appeared to work, because in the mid-term election of 1998 House Republicans suffered a small net loss which led to the demise of _uber-scum_ Newt Gingrich. Clinton did a lot of good things not ordinarily associated with Democrats: disciplined fiscal policy, well-considered economic stimulus, engaging foreign policy, tax cuts which favored the middle class–things, I might add, which aren’t working out so well today. Clinton was so good at taking the crap the Republican Congress threw at him and making it his own that they finally had nothing left to go for but his character. And what a flawed character it was. Wait, no it wasn’t, not by comparison to the jerks who were orchestrating yet another un-democratic Republican seizure of the government. Newt Gingrich got off with an apology for lying to Congress. He’s now married to the intern he was having an affair with throughout the 1990s. Henry Hyde laughed off his affair in his mid-40s as, “a youthful indiscretion.” Livingston got sacked before he could even take the floor as Speaker of the House for infidelity. Those idiots risked being branded with hypocrisy because they had nothing else to go with–and they made a mockery of American politics in the process. Moreover, Clinton had this magical ability to manipulate the American public. That’s the one thing the Republicans appear to have learned from Clinton, except that they perform their manipulation through fear and moral outrage rather than hope and inclusiveness. So, if Clinton was such a good executor of Republican policies, why to so many Republicans vocally despise him? Only now do I understand why. Not only did he steal Republican ideas and make them work, he stole the bullshit _campaign ideas_ the Republicans had no intention of actually realizing–all the ones _this_ President promised you which we will never see. _Clinton_ was the compassionate conservative. That’s why I think he’s so vilified–he stole their act and made it work better than they can, because they have no intention of being compassionate in the accepted sense of the word. You’ll notice I offer no citations. That’s because I want some of you doubters to go look it up yourselves. See who the _real_ morally bereft operators were, and who was the real steward of the greatest decade in American history. Try to read it somewhere other than a radio transcript, eh? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/54 "2003-06-06T23:19:17Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BrotherCadfael_ > Look at the more extreme faction of the anti-war protestors, and it’s pretty clear that their major gripe isn’t the specifics of the Iraq war, it’s that they really, really hate Bush. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by flonks_No, you are right, Bush did not give us “lefties” enough ammunition, we all hate him for pure personal reasons, we are so pathetic. Ignore that, **flonks**. The “all the protesters just hate Bush” was the bloggers/hate-radio’s broad brush to paint anyone who was against the Iraq war as being motivated by pure spite rather than principle. Apparently quite a lot of the vicious-right believe this crap.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/55 "2003-06-07T00:42:50Z")
Watching Bill outfox Newt Gangrene was like watching Leonardo paint _The Lady with the Goofy Smile_. Sheer artistry! He never knew what hit him. ---
**Author:** ![Cholo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Cholo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cholo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/56 "2003-06-07T06:30:41Z")
Well let’s see… \>Gennifer Flowers \>“Didn’t inhale” BS \>Oxford protester \>Paula Jones \>Whitewater deal \>Vince Foster’s death \>Hummers in the oval office with a 21 year old intern \>Semen stained dress \>Monica and the cigar \>Hillary’s “vast right wing conspiracy” theory \>“Wag the dog” attempts at Iraq and Al-quaida \>Impeachment trial \>Resignation to practice law rather than face disbarment charges \>Lincoln Room rentals \>“Depends on what “is” is” \>Marc Rich Pardon \>Kathleen Willey \>He’s a terrible saxophone player too And that’s just off the top of my head. You can always go here for more fun and games: [Those Crazy Clintons](http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Clinton_Scandals.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/57 "2003-06-07T08:05:55Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* \*\*Look here on this Board, look at the hatred & attacks of/on Bush. It is part of th enew polaraization of American politcis. It is not enough to simply disagree with your opponent- you must hate & despise him & everything he stands for. More & more, every bill is passed along straight party lines. And, the propaganda machine rolls on- spreading hatred of both. I mean- you can make DAMN sure none of your supporters cross over if the haste & despise the other dudes, right? But if they simply disagree with them, it is possble to find issues where you don’t disagree. This is bad. Sure, I’d say the hatred of Bush hasn’t got quite as unreasoning & personal as that of Clinton- yet. But, it is there, and strongly so. Look at the Reagn years- us Dems didn’t like Reagans policies, but we kinda liked the old dude. Same thing for Johnson & the GOP. Not that this is new, mind you- this sort of polarization existed before in America. It is just that I thought we had grown out of it. Not that the Dems are blameless mind you, but for this I blame the Religious Right- which controls the GOP now. They could not understand why the American public _liked_ Clinton, as Bill was very clearly to them the Antichrist. So they attacked- and we STILL liked him. This infuriated them into frothing apolexy. The Liberals and the radicals, noting how well this worked to keep the faithful as true beleivers, picked up on this, and now they are attacking GWB with the same fury & hatred. The problem is- it ONLY works to keep the faithful in line, it is “preaching to the choir”. Those few of us in the middle react by defending those so unfairly castigated. Hell, I voted against Bush. I think he came very close to stealing the Election. I think his “cut taxes & increase the deficit” plan is sheer economic stupidity. I thought we had no right to _invade_ Iraq. But- read some of my last posts. Dudes come up with stupid, hate filled, and way out there attacks on Bush (like we are in violation of International law, or the Geneva Convention, or Bush is a “war criminal” :rolleyes: ). Well, when you post hate filled biased & WRONG attacks like that- I will flock to “defend the underdog”. Enough of this, and you’ll find me voting for GWB! :dubious: 😃 But seriously- Bush haters- you don’t win anyone over with these threads. Those who agree with you that Bush lied, is a warcriminal, should be impeached, shot & hung- already agree with you. Those of us in the middle- will only be turned off by such rancor & propaganda. You win no converts by such hate- you simply assure the choir stays int he Church. :rolleyes: I guess it is not enough to say “We really should not go to war with a soveriegn nation except in self-defense”. You have to try for points like we violated treaties, International Law, or whatever. You don’t. those of us in the middle won’t be won over by hate filled propaganda attacks- we wil just flock to defend them. Just like what happened with Bill. \*\*[/QUOTE Very, very astute observation. I commend your sane approach to this whole subject. Just because something is cathartic, doesn’t mean it will actually accomplish anything worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/58 "2003-06-07T10:06:14Z")
My President right or wrong. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/59 "2003-06-07T17:58:32Z")
Alrighty then! Now we have something to talk about!!! \>Gennifer Flowers **Not proven. Goodbye.** \>“Didn’t inhale” BS **BFD. Okay, he should’a just said, “Yeah, I smoked pot back in the day, _who wasn’t?_” Next.** \>Oxford protester **He was there on a Fellowship. He didn’t like the draft – which, BTW, from some legal viewpoints, violates the Involuntary Servitude clause of the Fourteenth(?) Amendment. _Flush_** \>Paula Jones **Thrown outta court, as several of her statements could not be corrobarated by, I dunno, reality? Exit, stage down** \>Whitewater deal **After $70 million spent in investigation, including attempted intimidation and jailing of witnesses…Nada. _Pull!__BLAMMO!!!_** \>Vince Foster’s death **Suicide, proven by inquest. _Slamdunk!_** \>Hummers in the oval office with a 21 year old intern \>Semen stained dress \>Monica and the cigar **What, are you jealous? Get a date…** \>Hillary’s “vast right wing conspiracy” theory **Does the name “Richard Mellon Scaife” ring a bell? Go read _Blinded by the Right_ by David Brock. Get the whole sad story. That guy is an argument for the Inheritance Tax if I ever heard one.** \>“Wag the dog” attempts at Iraq and Al-quaida **So, did Clinton do nothing about Saddam and Osama, as the r-wingers claim nowadays, or did he make attempts for the sole purpose of distracting The Peepul from his impending impeachment. Jeesuz, make up your minds…** \>Impeachment trial **Presided over by one man who divorced his wife while she was in the hospital dying of cancer, and another who fathered an illegimate child, and others included a stauch anti-abortionist who nevertheless got abortions for his ex-wives (that’s wives, plural). Look up the definition for “hypocrite” sometime.** \>Resignation to practice law rather than face disbarment charges **Now, what was the name of the guy who resigned rather than face _impeachment_? Wait, don’t tell me, don’t tell me…** \>Lincoln Room rentals _ **ZZZZZZZ** _ \>“Depends on what “is” is” **Is this the best you’ve got?** \>Marc Rich Pardon **OK, something worth talking about. Rich got busted for tax evasion – quick, get the firing squad! – and had already made a settlement deal that the Justice Department then reniged on. He was not so much a fugitive as someone who happened to be in a foreign country when the US Govt. screwed him over. So his wife slips Clinton a little incentive for a little justice. Doesn’t cause me to lose sleep, frankly.** \>Kathleen Willey **…whose only “witness” refused to corroborate her BS story, and was then hounded unmercifully by Kenneth “Win At All Costs” Starr, included losing her job, her house, and being threatened with having her only son taken away from her. You call THAT “justice?” Honor? Dignity?** \>He’s a terrible saxophone player too **Sounded pretty good to me on Arsenio, all those years ago. Maybe that’s why I voted for him!** ---
**Author:** ![Cholo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Cholo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cholo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076/60 "2003-06-07T21:08:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CaptMurdock \* > \*\*Alrighty then! Now we have something to talk about!!! > > \>Gennifer Flowers > **Not proven. Goodbye.** > > \>“Didn’t inhale” BS > **BFD. Okay, he should’a just said, “Yeah, I smoked pot back in the day, _who wasn’t?_” Next.** > > \>Oxford protester > **He was there on a Fellowship. He didn’t like the draft – which, BTW, from some legal viewpoints, violates the Involuntary Servitude clause of the Fourteenth(?) Amendment. _Flush_** > > \>Paula Jones > **Thrown outta court, as several of her statements could not be corrobarated by, I dunno, reality? Exit, stage down** > > \>Whitewater deal > **After $70 million spent in investigation, including attempted intimidation and jailing of witnesses…Nada. _Pull!__BLAMMO!!!_** > > \>Vince Foster’s death > **Suicide, proven by inquest. _Slamdunk!_** > > \>Hummers in the oval office with a 21 year old intern > \>Semen stained dress > \>Monica and the cigar > **What, are you jealous? Get a date…** > > \>Hillary’s “vast right wing conspiracy” theory > **Does the name “Richard Mellon Scaife” ring a bell? Go read _Blinded by the Right_ by David Brock. Get the whole sad story. That guy is an argument for the Inheritance Tax if I ever heard one.** > > \>“Wag the dog” attempts at Iraq and Al-quaida > **So, did Clinton do nothing about Saddam and Osama, as the r-wingers claim nowadays, or did he make attempts for the sole purpose of distracting The Peepul from his impending impeachment. Jeesuz, make up your minds…** > > \>Impeachment trial > **Presided over by one man who divorced his wife while she was in the hospital dying of cancer, and another who fathered an illegimate child, and others included a stauch anti-abortionist who nevertheless got abortions for his ex-wives (that’s wives, plural). Look up the definition for “hypocrite” sometime.** > > \>Resignation to practice law rather than face disbarment charges > **Now, what was the name of the guy who resigned rather than face _impeachment_? Wait, don’t tell me, don’t tell me…** > > \>Lincoln Room rentals > _ **ZZZZZZZ** _ > > \>“Depends on what “is” is” > **Is this the best you’ve got?** > > \>Marc Rich Pardon > **OK, something worth talking about. Rich got busted for tax evasion – quick, get the firing squad! – and had already made a settlement deal that the Justice Department then reniged on. He was not so much a fugitive as someone who happened to be in a foreign country when the US Govt. screwed him over. So his wife slips Clinton a little incentive for a little justice. Doesn’t cause me to lose sleep, frankly.** > > \>Kathleen Willey > **…whose only “witness” refused to corroborate her BS story, and was then hounded unmercifully by Kenneth “Win At All Costs” Starr, included losing her job, her house, and being threatened with having her only son taken away from her. You call THAT “justice?” Honor? Dignity?** > > \>He’s a terrible saxophone player too > **Sounded pretty good to me on Arsenio, all those years ago. Maybe that’s why I voted for him!** \*\* My mistake. Of course, you’re right. Now I see…Clinton is a Saint. What was I thinking? There’s absolutely NO reason to dislike the man. He was the best president EVER! You’ve convinced me. [Vast Right Wing Conspiracies (all lies mind you) Against St. William.](http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Clinton_Scandals.shtml) :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-hate-the-clintons-so-much/180076.md?page=4)