# Why have conservatives left this message board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 14, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016 "2025-04-14T01:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/381 "2025-04-24T12:48:49Z")
There is plenty of bigotry among the old. Fwiw, when i was canvassing for Harris, i spoke to a lot of people, and because data is always imperfect, i spoke with a lot of Trump voters. The reasons people cited for supporting trump were mostly economic (“i was doing better under Trump”) and immigration (too many illegals, with both economic and racist comments about why this was a major problem for the US). The racist commentators skewed much older than the economic ones. By the way, the reason i was canvassing was largely because of fear for my trans friends. But i knew that wasn’t a terribly popular issue, and never brought it up. Not one person i spoke with did, either. That’s absolutely _not_ what drove the recent election. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/382 "2025-04-24T12:58:16Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > It was a serious point: bigotry is actually increasing among some young people For a message board whose mission is fighting ignorance, it wasn’t even a remotely serious point _in the way that you tried to make it._ Is there some data you’d like others to consider – data that supports this position? I’ve admired a lot of your posts. This “social conservative” stuff, however, points to a deeply corrupted sector on your hard drive. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/383 "2025-04-24T13:45:55Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I was comparing older, religious right-wingers with younger, non-religious ones and saying the latter are worse in my opinion. Your opinion is your opinion, but there’s not much difference between “older religious right-wingers” and “younger irreligious right-wingers” in terms of support for fascism in America anymore. And the older ones have more power to implement it. > [@](#): > > One person replied seemingly defending the young right-wingers, and another replied with a stupid meme. Neither of those posts was “defending neo-Nazis”. > [@DemonTree](#): > > It was a serious point: bigotry is actually increasing among some young people; things are going in the wrong direction. I think it’s very worrying. I don’t understand why people would mock that. 🤷‍♀️ Oh, we weren’t mocking that. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/384 "2025-04-24T13:55:37Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > By the way, the reason i was canvassing was largely because of fear for my trans friends. But i knew that wasn’t a terribly popular issue, and never brought it up. Not one person i spoke with did, either. That’s absolutely _not_ what drove the recent election. Very wise. And I’ve said many times that I don’t believe specific policies on trans people made any difference. But the overall impression that Democrats in Congress are “more focused on helping other people than people like me,” that “Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you”, was IMO very damaging. And hard to get around when you subscribe to a view that classifies people as more vs less privileged, more vs less in need of help, with small minorities needing help the most. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Is there some data you’d like others to consider – data that supports this position? No. It’s just my impression from what I’ve been seeing on social media. And since I’m still young (according to Kimstu, anyway 😉) maybe I don’t realise how bad the older conservatives were. But always before in my life it felt like things were getting better, that older people had old fashioned attitudes, but young people were more enlightened. I never used to see anyone calling to deport all non-native people; to ban women from voting and from working; replying to a story about kids dying of Aids due to cancelled USAid by saying it was better to let them die so they wouldn’t come here. People straight up saying “yes, I’m racist” rather than “I’m not racist, but…” Maybe you don’t think it matters, but I believe the desire not to think of themselves as racist discourages people from greater racism, and the desire not to be seen as racist discourages them from spreading racist ideas. Isn’t that the point of stigmatising this stuff in the first place? The idea that this is just “stay off my lawn, kids” is a frankly ludicrous one. (And many of them probably aren’t much younger than me anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/385 "2025-04-24T14:09:13Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The idea that this is just “stay off my lawn, kids” is a frankly ludicrous one. Nah. That’s really not the controlling issue here. > [@DemonTree](#): > > No. It’s just my impression from what I’ve been seeing on social media. There it is. You’re on a topic that relies heavily on those corrupted sectors of your hard drive that I recently mentioned. In that situation, you tend to fall apart in really dramatic fashion. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/386 "2025-04-24T14:22:38Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > You’re on a topic that relies heavily on those corrupted sectors of your hard drive that I recently mentioned. In that situation, you tend to fall apart in really dramatic fashion. This is not a useful or sensible reply. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/387 "2025-04-24T14:23:03Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > This is not a useful or sensible reply. Now you know how many of the rest of us feel. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/388 "2025-04-24T14:26:35Z")
Me: I think it’s bad that young people seem to be more bigoted than old ones, and that people are being openly racist when they weren’t before. You: You must have a screw lose. 🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/389 "2025-04-24T14:36:12Z")
You’re a fine one to talk about bigotry, TERF. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/390 "2025-04-24T14:37:10Z")
I’m not a terf. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/391 "2025-04-24T14:37:50Z")
Distinction without a difference, transphobe. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/392 "2025-04-24T14:39:49Z")
Now all you’re doing is [**selling past the close**](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sell_past_the_close). ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/393 "2025-04-24T14:47:17Z")
I’m sure you don’t love my views, but they are to the left of the average Democratic voter. I’d advise you to save your energy for fighting the current government, the one that’s actually taking your rights away. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/394 "2025-04-24T14:53:50Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Me: I think it’s bad that young people seem to be more bigoted than old ones, and that people are being openly racist when they weren’t before. Your error is in thinking that young people are more bigoted than old ones. Bigots of all ages have been empowered recently, and this fully explains the changes you see. It’s possible you are right about the age change, but i doubt it, and suggest you look for actual data. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/395 "2025-04-24T14:54:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > And there are some official-admin stances on the message board that essentially prohibit a conservative stance on some issues, such as linking to articles that oppose transgender views - even if it’s from the White House itself. The policy on “transgender views” is exactly the same as the policy on racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. views. I don’t see you talking about that pushing conservatives away. ] And I’m 99.9% certain that the issue with quoting what the White House said was that the person came off as supporting those views themselves. The trans rules were just bringing it in line with how other bigotry is treated. I have still seen quite a few transphobic posts on this board, and even have a couple people on ignore for it. And I hope you do not share those views. Because I generally think you’re decent, and would hate to find out you hate me after I discovered I’m not exactly male. edit: did not count DT. she’s been on ignore so long I forget she exists. I really wish you guys wouldn’t let her hijack things, even if we can’t get rid of her otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/396 "2025-04-24T14:54:18Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > … my views, but they are to the left of the average Democratic voter. … I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/397 "2025-04-24T14:56:26Z")
What a load of horsecrap. _You’re_ one of the assholes who wants to take my rights away. You can fuck right off. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/398 "2025-04-24T14:56:32Z")
Bricker and John Mace (I think on the latter) did imply it heavily. I personally wonder if Bricker has gone MAGA transphobe myself. I hope not. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/399 "2025-04-24T14:57:35Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Maybe you don’t think it matters, but I believe the desire not to think of themselves as racist discourages people from greater racism, and the desire not to be seen as racist discourages them from spreading racist ideas. Hasn’t stopped you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/400 "2025-04-24T14:58:29Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And I’m 99.9% certain that the issue with quoting what the White House said was that the person came off as supporting those views themselves. I was pretty clear that I didn’t. The issue was that both of us linked to materials that promoted extreme bigotry about trans people, and DT thought it was unfair that context was important. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=21)