# Why have conservatives left this message board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 14, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016 "2025-04-14T01:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/561 "2025-05-09T23:28:28Z")
> [@Surfing](#): > > Not really much of a conservative but it strikes me as funny that this was in the first reply. Maybe conservatives leave because the first reply to a post asking the question insults them? So because conservatives are insulted too much in the pit, they pick up their stakes and go over to… twitter? FTR though, the OP was not the, “First reply”. The OP was a continuation of a conversation in another thread that I didn’t want hijacked further. Also, my insult was not gratuitous: it was part of an argument: > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Yes, there’s a huge ideological jump from conservatives-before-Trump to Trump. But that just underlines the way that conservatives lack self awareness, so much so that they are the _last_ people you would ask if you want to know why they behave the way they do. As for [SSgt.Melton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SSgt.Melton), most of his participation on this board has been in this thread, which would be really strange for a newbie if he wasn’t a sock. Which he is. Sarg: might I recommend you redirect your talents and imagination, such as they are, to more constructive activities such as scam-baiting? > **[Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/scambait/?rdt=46414)** [https://www.419eater.com/html/baiting.htm](https://www.419eater.com/html/baiting.htm) > [@Kimstu](#): > > I don’t think that there’s a magical island of those intelligent, rational and well-informed conservative unicorns somewhere out there in the depths of the internet, who would come and play with us if only we would be more welcoming to them. Agreed, as you have noted bulletin boards have been in decline and general interest spaces are also disappearing. There are pockets of conservative intelligence here and there though. I have a hobby of collecting them, sort of like Fabergé eggs. Here are 2: > **[The Volokh Conspiracy](https://reason.com/volokh/)** > > Mostly law professors. Sometimes contrarian. Often libertarian. Always independent. Est. 2002 [https://marginalrevolution.com/](https://marginalrevolution.com/) There are also anti-Trump conservative outlets like the Bulwark and parts of the Atlantic, but they don’t make it into my display case. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/562 "2025-05-09T23:45:19Z")
He didn’t say Trump cares about the poor. As I understand it, he was saying Trump was more _popular_ with many such voters than Harris/Biden were. And if the Ds want to win, they need to find a way to become more popular. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/563 "2025-05-09T23:48:27Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Most of the polls I have seen have shown most would still vote for Trump. Once a racist piece of shit, always a racist piece of shit. Remember, we needed just about 2 percent from them. I have seen polls were 5% of them now do not like where this is going. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/564 "2025-05-09T23:58:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Remember, we needed just about 2 percent from them. I have seen polls were 5% of them now do not like where this is going. Also remember that Trump always does about 3% better in elections than he does on polls. A lot of his voters are not just racist pieces of shit, but huge fucking pussies who won’t admit they vote for him. Also, I think that we’re still talking about the importance of elections in America adorable. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/565 "2025-05-10T01:05:22Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Also remember that Trump always does about 3% better in elections than he does on polls. A lot of his voters are not just racist pieces of shit, but huge fucking pussies who won’t admit they vote for him. Also, I think that we’re still talking about the importance of elections in America adorable. > **[Wisconsin judicial election: Liberal Susan Crawford wins court seat in...](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8km3zg3kyo)** > > Elon Musk was a prominent fundraiser in the campaign, and was the subject of attack ads aired by Crawford's supporters. Looks adorable yes. Sure, I expect setbacks, but I will follow what the evidence shows, a good number of the ones that voted for Trump are not amused, particularly when most expected that the economy would improve, Trump and the Republicans have hubris bigger than Napoleon. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/566 "2025-05-10T01:19:12Z")
And nothing has changed. America is post democracy. We don’t need to hear what fascists have to say. We know what they have to say and it is repugnant. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/567 "2025-05-10T01:35:28Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > And nothing has changed. America is post democracy. Well, we agree that the grapes now are sour. It does not change right away, but I have seen how history goes, it will not go well for the Republicans that pretend that their fake morals and crazy way to handle the economy will lead to success. (Like when they pushed prohibition and tariffs then) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/568 "2025-05-10T02:10:29Z")
He alluded to it. Maybe I’m mistaken or I’ve just heard way too many MAGAS say common man, the regular folks, less educated. Six-pack Joes. He doesn’t even consider woman, at all. Guess who is more at risk and may be poor? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/569 "2025-05-10T04:42:35Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > He alluded to it. > Maybe I’m mistaken or I’ve just heard way too many MAGAS say common man, the regular folks, less educated. > Six-pack Joes. He doesn’t even consider woman, at all. The Roper stats say that Trump did better than Harris with income less than $100,000. Harris did better than Trump in higher income, actually. This is the reverse of historical trends. Carter and Mondale, 1980/84, still did better with the poor despite getting trounced overall. These are simply stats that Roper produced. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/570 "2025-05-12T03:00:18Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Carter and Mondale, 1980/84, still did better with the poor despite getting trounced overall. Potential confounding factors there: Carter and Mondale were both white men. Are we sure that the reason that fewer low-income voters chose the Democratic candidate this time around is solely because the Democrats as a party are “less popular” with low-income voters? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/571 "2025-05-12T19:45:01Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Which non left-right political axis are you referring to? There’s always the Nolan chart. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Simplified_Nolan_chart_political_compass.svg/500px-Simplified_Nolan_chart_political_compass.svg.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Simplified_Nolan_chart_political_compass.svg/500px-Simplified_Nolan_chart_political_compass.svg.png) > **[Nolan Chart](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart)** > > The Nolan Chart is a political spectrum diagram created by American libertarian activist David Nolan in 1969, charting political views along two axes, representing economic freedom and personal freedom. It expands political view analysis beyond the traditional one-dimensional left–right/progressive-conservative divide, positioning libertarianism outside the traditional spectrum. > The claim that political positions can be located on a chart with two axes: left–right (economics) and tough–tender (... ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/572 "2025-05-13T23:06:49Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Potential confounding factors there: Carter and Mondale were both white men. Are we sure that the reason that fewer low-income voters chose the Democratic candidate this time around is solely because the Democrats as a party are “less popular” with low-income voters Obama and Hillary both comfortably won the lowest income group. Biden, a white man, also won the lowest income group (\<$50K) although perhaps tellingly he did a bit better with $50-$100K. And as always lost $100K\> to Trump. Harris reversed demographics completely. Harris’ worst performing income group was $50-$100K, which she lost. Then the poors, \<$50K, which she also lost. Best was $100K\>, WHICH SHE WON. I doubt that even FDR won the richest income group. Poor votes Dem, rich votes Rep, it’s likely the oldest thing about the two parties. And it absolutely flipped. Harris got killed on the economy, and immigration. Hillary won on economy, lost on immigration though it wasn’t the blowout that Harris had. Economy and immigration were not categories in the 2020 Roper poll. Other thing is Liberal/Conservative. If you want to say we are a center right country, sure. Because the Conservative group is ALWAYS bigger. Every single time. You can’t trade vote for vote. And yes, by those labels right now it’s more polarized than ever. Over 90% liberal for Harris, over 90% conservative for Trump. These are the highest splits since this poll began in 1980. Harris won moderates by 18 points, but it obviously wasn’t enough. Why did Harris lose the lower income people? Probably inflation. I don’t think it was stupidity or racism personally, though that’s what many people here and elsewhere think. And conservatives outnumber liberals, so that’s something Dems need to take into account, polarizing everything isn’t necessarily to the advantage of the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/573 "2025-05-13T23:21:12Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > polarizing everything isn’t necessarily to the advantage of the Dems. No, it isn’t . . . that’s why Republicans/conservatives do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/574 "2025-05-13T23:34:39Z")
There are liberal denominations which abominate what you are describing. They are struggling to defend themselves against non-Christians who believe the narrative that the only face of Christianity is the cruel racist one that gets all the press. I would put most of the mainstream non-evangelical churches in that category although some, like the UCC and Episcopalians, are much more liberal than the general populace. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/575 "2025-05-13T23:40:29Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Why did Harris lose the lower income people? Probably inflation. Given that in 2024, incumbents lost in elections all over the world due to inflation, I believe that is safe to say. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > And conservatives outnumber liberals, so that’s something Dems need to take into account, polarizing everything isn’t necessarily to the advantage of the Dems. It does vary a bit but generally yes. Polarization does hurt the left. What helps the Democrats is that Republicans have more extremists in leadership, which alienates that crucial middle. Depending on the year that polls are done, the number of people who identify as moderate or conservative tend to be fairly close, while liberals are usually around 10% behind. But it fluctuates. Whatever side is able to sway more moderates will tend to win, and the extremism of conservatives tends to work against them in elections, as they work to cater to their larger base. That’s why elections are as close as they are despite the disparity in size between how Americans identify politically. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/576 "2025-05-13T23:41:43Z")
It seems to me that Christians don’t mind it too much. They’re the ones who let it happen and keep letting it happen. If they truly outnumber the “fake” ones, they should have no problem exerting their will. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/577 "2025-05-13T23:43:27Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > It seems to me that Christians don’t mind it too much. They’re the ones who let it happen and keep letting it happen. How are they letting it happen? > [@Zoobi](#): > > If they truly outnumber the “fake” ones, they should have no problem exerting their will. So you’re saying that they should be inserting themselves into political matters? ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/578 "2025-05-13T23:47:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > So you’re saying that they should be inserting themselves into political matters? Lol, when did they stop?! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/579 "2025-05-13T23:48:47Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > Lol, when did they stop?! Okay, so you _are_ just talking out your ass. This reminds me of when the bigots blamed all Muslims in the US for Al Qaeda because they didn’t do enough to denounce them publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/580 "2025-05-13T23:52:48Z")
What percent of Muslims in the USA supported Al Qaeda? I bet it’s a much smaller percentage than the Christians who support Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=30)