# Why have conservatives left this message board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 14, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016 "2025-04-14T01:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/601 "2025-05-14T15:36:53Z")
From February 2025: [![](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/02/PR_2025.02.26_religious-landscape-study_015-01.png) ](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/02/PR_2025.02.26_religious-landscape-study_015-01.png) [![](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/02/PR_2025.02.26_religious-landscape-study_015-02.png) ](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/02/PR_2025.02.26_religious-landscape-study_015-02.png) [**SOURCE [PEW]**](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/religion-partisanship-and-ideology/) Back when I had long and thoughtful discussions with today’s “RINO’s,” (say, 1980’s - 2000’s) I understood this correlation between religion and political party preference. Since 2016, however, I’m utterly and completely baffled – and not just a little repulsed – by it. It’s wildly paradoxical. Rather than me painting all people of faith with the same broad brush, I’m pointing to quantitative data with a reasonable degree of differentiation (even more can be found at the linked site) and expressing my bewilderment. Which I think bears directly on the OP. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/602 "2025-05-14T16:48:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > As far as debates touching on religion are concerned the “religious position” _is_ the far right one and religious people of other persuasions are treated as if they don’t exist when they say they disagree. Very insightful from one of top religion-bashers around here. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/603 "2025-05-14T17:22:43Z")
If I say “Happy holidays” to someone and they reply with “Merry CHRISTMAS”, I always will think, “Yep. Trump lover.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/604 "2025-05-14T17:47:30Z")
If you mean this without sarcasm, you’re an exemplar of the type being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/605 "2025-05-14T18:02:38Z")
Thank god we can finally say Merry Christmas again. That was a brutal fucking war! ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/606 "2025-05-14T18:52:34Z")
No, absolutely WITH sarcasm. I never say “Happy Holidays”. I say “Puppy Holidays,” which brings some confusion so I have time to walk away. 😃 Sounds cuter too! ---
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/607 "2025-05-14T19:24:45Z")
Oh, and everyone likes puppies. Well, except for certain people in this administration. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/608 "2025-05-14T19:30:57Z")
To be fair, they are an acquired taste and they do have to be prepared correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/609 "2025-05-14T20:02:08Z")
I will say that I’ve had some nasty hush puppies in the past. How can you manage to make something oily **and** dry at the same time?! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/610 "2025-05-14T20:11:38Z")
Is that the breed of dog or the shoes you are talking about? - Aside: When I did go to El Salvador to visit family, I usually got my Hush Puppies shoes from the local ADOC shoe producers (good quality too!). Not anymore, as even in the old country the shoemakers are getting the shoes from China nowadays. - Oily and dry too… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/611 "2025-05-14T22:09:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > For those who insist that people with religion are all on the right wing, and anyone else meekly sits there and agrees with them by being silent, let me ask them… Which atheist Democratic president was your favorite? Thing is, Democrats including Democratic Presidents _do_ get regularly bashed as anti-religion, atheistic, or outright Satanic with little effort to argue against that even from themselves. It doesn’t _matter_ if they go regularly to church or wear their religion on their sleeve; if they are a Democrat then they are anti-God. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/612 "2025-05-14T22:25:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Thing is, Democrats including Democratic Presidents _do_ get regularly bashed as anti-religion, atheistic, or outright Satanic with little effort to argue against that even from themselves. They get regularly bashed for **everything**. Obama wasn’t even American. Hillary was involved in multiple murders and a child trafficking ring. Biden ran an elaborate criminal enterprise that stretched across the globe. If Democratic presidents tried to react to every evidence-free fantastical slur the right threw at them, they’d have no time to do anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/613 "2025-05-14T22:34:22Z")
A favorite far-right nutter response to being told that some piece of garbage they’re spewing is false, is to say “well, how come Fauci/Gates/Obama haven’t sued over these claims?”. Riiight - if you’re not willing to spend a fortune trying to drag liars through the courts resulting in even greater public attention to their bullshit, iT mUsT BE tRUe! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/614 "2025-05-14T22:55:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They get regularly bashed for **everything**. Obama wasn’t even American. Hillary was involved in multiple murders and a child trafficking ring. Biden ran an elaborate criminal enterprise that stretched across the globe. If Democratic presidents tried to react to every evidence-free fantastical slur the right threw at them, they’d have no time to do anything else. Even ignoring that letting themselves get smeared as non-Christian is politically a very bad idea in a deeply religious nation like the US, they aren’t the only ones involved. There was almost no effort from anyone on their side to debunk such claims, from Democratic operatives down to random people on message boards like this. Which is how somebody like Trump can get the mantle of being the pro-Christian candidate while running agaisnt a former Sunday School teacher like Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/615 "2025-05-14T23:54:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which is how somebody like Trump can get the mantle of being the pro-Christian candidate while running agaisnt a former Sunday School teacher like Hillary. No, that’s not true at all. The Christian organizations who get involved in politics are the fundie/evangelical types who are into politics over religion. And they’re going to support the authoritarian. Saying, “No he’s not really a Christian, the Democrat is!” That’s useless and the Democrats knew it. Your argument is just bad. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/616 "2025-05-15T00:32:10Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > The defenders of their own brands of religion, on this board, are few and faint compared to the many loud anti-religionists, who rarely lay down their broad brushes. Rather like the casual misogyny that was previously condoned here, those who don’t notice the sneering contempt for all faiths, and the reduction of all Christianity to white supremacist Christofascism, are blind to it because they essentially share it. > [@Ulfreida](#): > > Cognitive dissonance for the broadbrushers. Yes, it would be terrible to be a “broadbrusher”. > [@Ulfreida](#): > > Let’s hear you all ignore it. Umm… > [@Atamasama](#): > > There are a couple of anti-religion bigots on this board, but that’s not the majority of it, and it’s clearly not “everyone”. This is my experience as well. It’s not remotely a fine line between “I hate people who force their religion on others” and “All religions are bad and anyone who belongs to one is deluded and dumb”, and while the first view is common enough here (even amongst the religious), the people here who fall into the second camp are few and frequently challenged. In other fora the anti-religionists are a _lot_ more obnoxious than they are here, and more numerous. That said, it also remains true that a noisy right-wing minority have done an increasing amount of damage to the image of Christians for all sorts of reasons. But we all know that already. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/617 "2025-05-15T00:37:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > That said, it also remains true that a noisy right-wing minority have done an increasing amount of damage to the image of Christians for all sorts of reasons. But we all know that already. Agreed. Though I don’t see Christians as persecuted in this country nor do I feel that way. It’s a very safe country to be a Christian in, pretty much anywhere, despite the noisy ones making Christians look like asses. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/618 "2025-05-15T00:39:26Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The Christian organizations who get involved in politics are the fundie/evangelical types who are into politics over religion. And they’re going to support the authoritarian. No? Historically they’ve been all over the map. Look up “liberation theology”, for example. Or the role of the Quakers in issues like Abolition or women’s rights. The difference is that in the modern US, every position _but_ that of the “fundie/evangelical types” is ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/619 "2025-05-15T11:00:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The difference is that in the modern US, every position _but_ that of the “fundie/evangelical types” is ignored. …By? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2025, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/620 "2025-05-15T11:43:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > …By? The media. Posters on this board. For two. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=32)