# Why have conservatives left this message board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 14, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016 "2025-04-14T01:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/641 "2025-07-08T22:07:46Z")
Caveat that I haven’t read all 640 replies, but in the SDMB liberals can be flagrantly abusive of conservatives, eg calling them MAGATs, but the reverse doesn’t seem to hold true. Responding that an opinion holder, who is not directly a SDMB poster, is suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome is unfriendly. However, the correlation between MAGAT and maggot is even more unfriendly. MAGAT seems to be acceptable. Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to be unacceptable. I enjoy robust debate. It’s hard arguing against 10-1 odds, but that’s part of the fun. But when one side can be flagrantly abrasive, but the other side has to deal with administrative difficulties perhaps related to the abrasive terms they’ve used, it seems unfair. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/642 "2025-07-08T22:12:34Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > But when one side can be flagrantly abrasive, but the other side has to deal with administrative difficulties perhaps related to the abrasive terms they’ve used, it seems unfair. I’m sure you’ll have no problem pointing us to all the responses about an opinion holder, who is not directly a SDMB poster, is suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome resulting in administrative difficulties. Cite Shodan’s “harpy” and you lose the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/643 "2025-07-09T00:07:18Z")
Looks to me like someone calling the mods here biased against the poor innocent right wing posters. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/644 "2025-07-09T00:09:54Z")
Well, of course. They are libtards of the first water. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/645 "2025-07-09T00:21:22Z")
What the _hell_ are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/646 "2025-07-09T09:17:45Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > Frank Drebin: “What’s a yokokristi?” “$20, same as in town.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/647 "2025-07-09T16:43:40Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Caveat that I haven’t read all 640 replies, but in the SDMB liberals can be flagrantly abusive of conservatives, eg calling them MAGATs Actually in this Pit thread, the only mention of MAGATs comes from you and a poster that commented to a reasonable conservative (that are still here), that does see what Trump is doing to the nation and the world and rejects what he is doing. His comment was to show that indeed, there is a difference between a reasonable conservative vs a crazy MAGA. The real Trump derangement syndrome is to willfully and actively and maliciously ignore the things that he is doing that lead to deaths and other bad things. > **[MAHA Says Its Focus Is Chronic Diseases - Kennedy And Trump Actions Show...](https://healthpolicy-watch.news/mahas-target-is-chronic-diseases-kennedy-and-trump-actions-show-otherwise/)** > > Now sitting atop the United States health system, the anti-vaccine scion of the Kennedy dynasty released a major policy paper to advance that agenda last > **[‘Sickening’ and ‘evil’: Musk bashed for USAID cuts after study predicts...](https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/sickening-evil-musk-bashed-usaid-cuts-study-predicts-millions-die-rcna216832)** > > One physician attributed the estimated death toll of more than 14 million over the next five years worldwide to “one man’s cruelty & venality.” You enjoy robust debate? Bullshit. Your sources and people that you follow do tell you to ignore that and many other things, and since I lost my job that was part of the Unemployment Office in Arizona, thanks to the cut in federal money, spare me your ignorant reply here. I just see in you what others that claimed to be conservatives in the SDMB did: one that departed the boards even wanted to bet against me in debates about the ACA (Obamacare), while I explained that it saved my life when I encountered a bad infection, and at that time I was so ill that I could die then. Really, even here the ones that claim to be MAGA (They were Teabaggers then) do not care if a Doper (or many others) will die thanks to the kind of politicians they support and vote for. They are not really conservatives, MAGAS are reactionaries in favor of [untruth](https://www.cnn.com/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claims-debunked), [injustice](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/justice-department-directs-prosecutors-to-investigate-state-and-local-efforts-to-obstruct-immigration-enforcement#:~:text=Justice%20Department%20directs%20prosecutors%20to%20investigate%20state,to%20obstruct%20immigration%20enforcement%20%7C%20PBS%20News.&text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Justice%20Department%20is,obtained%20by%20The%20Associated%20Press%20on%20Wednesday.) and the [Nazi cosplayer way](https://newrepublic.com/post/190464/did-elon-musk-nazi-salute-trump-inauguration). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/648 "2025-07-09T17:04:59Z")
Do you have a cite that, outside the Pit, MAGAT is allowed but TDS is not? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/649 "2025-07-09T19:24:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Really, even here the ones that claim to be MAGA (They were Teabaggers then) do not care if a Doper (or many others) will die thanks to the kind of politicians they support and vote for. I was going to mention that. Posters objected to the term “teabaggers”, and use of it stopped, or at least went way down. On the other hand, it’s been pointed put that “Democrat Party” is incorrect, and that still seems to be used with some regularity. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/650 "2025-07-09T20:10:46Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > in the SDMB liberals can be flagrantly abusive of conservatives, eg calling them MAGATs I mean, I won’t call Romney conservatives cryptofascists, and I won’t call Thom Tillis a neo-Nazi; but we’re at a unique period in American history where masked secret police are abducting people from the streets to send them to “Alligator Alcatraz” where the Party Leader jokes about them being eaten alive by wild animals, and a majority of Republicans approve of this behavior. _This is not normal_, and it’s inappropriate for us to treat this like normal, or for anyone to ask us to treat these authoritarians like a reasonable and respectable voice of opposition. Calling Trump-supporters fascist isn’t an insult, any more than calling Mao supporters Communists is an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/651 "2025-07-10T00:50:06Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Caveat that I haven’t read all 640 replies, but in the SDMB liberals can be flagrantly abusive of conservatives, eg calling them MAGATs, but the reverse doesn’t seem to hold true. Because conservatives are genuinely evil and irrational. It’s not possible to _honestly_ discuss conservatives without being insulting; even the most neutral description of them and their positions is insulting, because they are simply just that awful. Being “polite” about conservatives _requires_ lying in their favor. And a lot of people are tired of lying in favor of people who want to oppress and kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/652 "2025-07-10T07:38:10Z")
As usual, we need to point out that there’s nothing remotely “conservative” by any definition in what Trump and his MAGA followers believe or do. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/653 "2025-07-10T12:27:05Z")
Except if defined by the way most people _actually use the word._ I’m afraid that ship has already sailed; “conservative” _is_ now a synonym for “malignant radical reactionary”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/654 "2025-07-10T12:42:06Z")
And it always has been. The original “conservatives” were against the revolution. The French Revolution. Against fraternité, liberté, egalité. They favored a feudal system. plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/655 "2025-07-10T12:55:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > As usual, we need to point out that there’s nothing remotely “conservative” by any definition in what Trump and his MAGA followers believe or do. Yes. If there are instances where conservatives (as defined by past standards which now seem quaint) are being unfairly jeered at as MAGA despite rejecting Trump cultism, that needs to be called out. But I don’t see it happening. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/656 "2025-07-10T14:09:23Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > However, the correlation between MAGAT and maggot is even more unfriendly. Is that why people refer to "MAGAt"s? I had wondered about the construction. (Yes, i often miss puns. Why do you ask?) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/657 "2025-07-10T14:20:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because conservatives are genuinely evil and irrational. It’s not possible to _honestly_ discuss conservatives without being insulting; even the most neutral description of them and their positions is insulting, because they are simply just that awful. The fact that _this_ is an acceptable standard of argument on the board by many here pretty much answers the thread. Would **you** want to participate on this board as a Conservative if you had to deal with this constantly from multiple users? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/658 "2025-07-10T14:28:42Z")
Remember we’re in the Pit where **Der\_Trihs’** has refined how to phrase his peculiar take on how we will be certainly exterminated in painful ways for conservative pleasure, in a manner that breaks no rule. It annoys me but I just roll my eyes and carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/659 "2025-07-10T14:33:05Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > The fact that _this_ is an acceptable standard of argument on the board by many here pretty much answers the thread. Would **you** want to participate on this board as a Conservative if you had to deal with this constantly from multiple users? Show me a recent honest attempt to support the conservative movement without lying about what they are actually doing and what they wish to accomplish, and you have an actual argument. The unsubstantiated claims by Wrenching\_Spanners certainly do not fit the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016/660 "2025-07-10T14:38:21Z")
I’ve changed my terminology to reflect the times. What I used to call Democrats, now I call “Progressives” What I used to call Conservatives, now I call “Democrats”. What I used to call Republicans, now I call “Fascists”. I don’t believe in mocking labels. If you aren’t an espouser of the New Fascist Party, then you are probably a Democrat, even if you think of yourself as a Republican, or an Independent. There aren’t any Independents in this country. There are only Fascists who are still pretending they aren’t, and people who are so ignorant it’s a wonder they’re alive. The ones who say they can’t tell the difference between the parties. The others fall into one of the more liberal categories. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-conservatives-left-this-message-board/1017016.md?page=34)