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There’s also their weird standard of fairness that goes something like: “They said something that offended me, so I should get to say things that offend them.” It’s not centered on a standard of conduct like refraining from personal attacks. Instead it’s the “equality of outcome” thing that they claim to hate so much – if you offend me, then I get to offend you. There is no objective behavioral or community standard, it’s all about my personal sense of offense and justice. It’s really a condensation of how they view society as a whole.
Good policy must consider how people might feel – i.e. “don’t be a jerk”, but that can’t be the only basis for moderation. There’s got to be some common-sense standard of what that means, and just because someone’s offended doesn’t mean someone else was a jerk.
“Birds of a feather flock together.” The “Trumpeters” and their ilk would have to endure a site where a host of intelligent, compassionate people who literally, on a day to day basis, tear their demigod apart in a multitude of ways with a multitude of facts. I really can’t see them enduring that for any length of time. I can see intelligent conservatives of character who see what this man is remaining but, if any remain in the Republican Party, they are few and far between.
Your schtick is constant posts about how <large group of people> are all hateful, evil, and are slavering at the chance to exploit and/or kill <other group>. And how <other group> are all helpless victims, slaves etc. 
Having been the subject of both, I can’t decide which is more insulting, and it’s extremely tiresome either way.
It’s not a healthy worldview, that’s for damn sure.
And I can’t help wondering whether it’s all projection. I’ve seen you attack both Democrats and Republicans. Do you include yourself in one of these groups with horrible motives, or are you the one good person in the world? Genuine question.
Come to think of it, I wonder where adaher went. He seemed like one of the few long-lasting conservative Dopers. He wasn’t banned like TimRMortiss.
I actually believe he was, and somehow un-banned himself the morning after the Election in November just so he could come in and gloat, and was promptly re-banned again (maybe by using an alternate alphabet or something for a sock account). Good f. riddance as far as I’m concerned.
He had been actively posting until June of 2020, at which point he suddenly vanished, before returning to making three posts (under his original screen name, it appears) in the Election Day thread on November 6th, 2024. He then vanished again, and hasn’t been “seen” by the board software since late November.
His profile does not show him as banned. I don’t recall if he had been banned in 2020, but I suspect not (though a moderator could likely correct me if I’m mistaken).
In my experience, if a long-time active poster gets banned there is usually an announcement in ATMB. I don’t see any for adaher. The only thread with that name in the subject is this one:
I don’t see any other threads there about adaher, so I’d be shocked if there was a banning.
And, that was in 2016; he continued as an active poster for another four years after that.
Sorry folks, dyslexia, I had confused him with Asahi.
Defining people who agree with Joe Biden and the median Democratic voter’s positions on crime, trans issues, and Israel as “conservatives,” yelling at them that they are evil bigoted Trump supporters, and placing them on the wrong side of a double standard rules regime, is something that the people controlling the board are free to do if they want. But to do that and then shrug your shoulders and go “what happened to all the people who aren’t leftists, why do I keep running into all these darn evil conservatives everywhere, and why is this board dwindling to nothing but a small handful of 20-year veteran posters who are slowly but surely dying off?” is pretty silly.
I’m sure you won’t mind linking to a couple or three to five examples of this double standard . . . that do not include Shodan then?
Strawman. The liberal posters on this board aren’t actually asking these questions, since we mostly know the answers to them.
In particular, a lot of self-identified conservatives left the board when moderation policies on bigotry got tougher, and it wasn’t possible to defend starting debates on issues like “are black people fundamentally stupider than white people” or “are homosexuals mentally ill” as merely “honest inquiry” and “free speech”. The people who were honestly asking such questions in good faith found other things to talk about. The people who weren’t tended to fade away.
As for why a nearly 30-year-old messageboard community is shrinking, that’s no mystery either: General-purpose online communities with a wide range of subject matter, as opposed to dedicated forums for individual hobbies or issues, are largely dead across the internet. As long-time Dopers continue to age out of their previous participation levels (euphemism much?), they’re not being replaced by younger people, because younger people don’t do internet like this anymore.
The role of the earlier general-purpose online communities is now being filled by the social-media giants. The wonder is not that the SDMB as a vintage online forum is shrinking, but that it still survives.
Yeah. I actually saw some of what appeared to be the same people (same name/avatar/speech pattern) show up on other boards and get kicked off almost immediately because they were less willing to put up with that sort of thing than the SD was. Far from being some enforcer of rigid liberal orthodoxy, SD has if anything historically bent over backwards to accommodate right wingers.
It’s just that anything short of absolute compliance and the elimination of all other viewpoints is unacceptable to the Right, so they left anyway because merely bending over backwards for them isn’t enough.
That doesn’t accord with my experience here, or at least my memories. As I recall, there weren’t all that many threads like that in GD, and of that small number many were started by new posters who didn’t stick around for long. I do remember feeling frustrated by these oh-so-iconoclastic thinkers whose grasp of statistics apparently didn’t include the standard deviation.
At any rate, I don’t think Shodan, Sam, Scylla, Jodi, Bricker, JohnBckWLD, Freedom, astorian, Manhattan, Bone, or even the bigot that got Collounsbury banned left for that reason.
Then again, some conservative posters here trended left over time. Reviewing threads, Airman_Doors and erislover come to mind. Una did after she transitioned.
Heh. I assure you that lots of people care, insofar as this topic is catnip for dopers. I anticipate that this will be my most popular and least helpful thread I’ve ever started. Appreciate the congrats.
True for religious conservatives, not so much for business conservatives though there’s some of that.
I’ll observe that conservatives never self-policed all that well. So when a large rump of them went all out MAGA, the remainder didn’t object, they just wandered away. After 2016.
But conservatives were tuning out of here before that. Compare 2001 to 2011 threads for example. I think the aftermath of the Iraq War made conservativism more difficult to defend in a detailed and substantiated yet generalist way. (Conservatism can always be defended with detail and intellectual superstructure and it can always be promoted to the average Joe. It’s the overlap that’s more of a challenge.)
Not just that. After 9/11 a lot of formerly “moderate conservatives” went really out of control. All over you could seen them getting more openly extreme, bigoted and bloodthirsty on and off the Net. Which among other things made them less likely to last on (or be willing to tolerate) forums where “kill all the Muslims & brown people” was considered unacceptable. “Banned for advocating genocide” became a much more common thing.
I don’t recall any conservative being banned here for bloodthirsty remarks directed against Muslims. (I recall a number of bloodthirsty remarks directed against criminals, but I admit I was unsuccessful at locating them a few years back.) I do recall some conservatives here lining up behind W’s admonition that we’re at war with terrorism, not Muslims.
Speaking of bloodthirsty, why can’t I find any of Clothahump’s posts with the search engine?
ETA: Thanks Kron!
They showed up for me!
I thought they were all off having tantrums.