# Why I didn't support Bernie Sanders **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937 "2017-08-06T20:05:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/41 "2017-08-10T22:50:15Z")
Umm, ok. > [@](#): > > Later in the afternoon, Enzi, R-Wyo., told Republicans during a lunch that he intends for the committee to mark up the budget in September. Powerful stuff. Surprised McConnell let’s him make such bold policy statements over lunch. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/42 "2017-08-10T23:56:38Z")
You asked for evidence that Enzi was doing something. I provided a cite. Do cites that involve the eating of food not count in your view for some reason? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/43 "2017-08-11T00:51:13Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You asked for evidence that Enzi was doing something. I provided a cite. Do cites that involve the eating of food not count in your view for some reason? It doesn’t even include a quote. For all we know he said “Get off my case. We’ll do it next month. Probably” And what I actually asked you about was whether Enzi had talked about the subjects that you chastised Sanders for not talking about. Your link does not include such talk. No tax reform, no debt ceiling, no military. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/44 "2017-08-11T01:46:13Z")
And so we devolve into the typical message board nonsense of arguments over whether a cite is Scotsman enough for one person’s taste. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/45 "2017-08-11T01:50:47Z")
No, I quite clearly asked you if he talked about the subjects in your OP. You even quoted it. But if you want to pretend I’m playing some game then go ahead. Just don’t bother trying to gaslight me. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/46 "2017-08-11T02:07:59Z")
I didn’t criticize Sanders for not talking about the budget. I asked what is he saying and doing about them? Nothing on either count. You are ignoring evidence that Enzi is doing something, and then implying that there’s no difference between Enzi and Sanders because neither one is making big speeches. I think anyone could spot the problem with your argument. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/47 "2017-08-11T02:21:59Z")
So if we could find some passing mention of Sanders bringing up the budget committee schedule at a Dem lunch function, would that satisfy you that Sanders is working on it? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/48 "2017-08-11T11:33:12Z")
Considering I have no information to indicate he has done anything in his Budget Committee role other than to show up for hearings, I think if he talked to all Democratic senators during the weekly policy lunches, yes, that would be a major step for him. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/49 "2017-08-12T16:05:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Considering I have no information to indicate he has done anything in his Budget Committee role other than to show up for hearings, I think if he talked to all Democratic senators during the weekly policy lunches, yes, that would be a major step for him. Is it unusual that we don’t hear about what is happening in committee? I thought what goes on in committee (any of them) is generally not talked about. The congresscritters want a place to do some work and hash things out without every step they make being in the paper the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/50 "2017-08-12T16:23:44Z")
The First Rule of Committee is that you do not talk about Committee. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/51 "2017-08-12T17:02:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Is it unusual that we don’t hear about what is happening in committee? > > I thought what goes on in committee (any of them) is generally not talked about. The congresscritters want a place to do some work and hash things out without every step they make being in the paper the next day. Negotiations in committee deliberations are more likely to be carried out in confidence (e.g., I will support that section if you support my amendment), up until the point of a committee markup. But it’s unusual for committee leaders to have no public positions or evidence of such in committee matters. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937/52 "2017-08-13T02:51:28Z")
I was reading [this](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elizabeth-warren-takes-aim-at-moderates-and-generates-chants-of-%e2%80%98warren-2020%e2%80%99/ar-AApWaH9?ocid=spartanntp) article, and I think it characterizes while I didn’t or wouldn’t vote for Sanders, even though it’s about the other darling of the left, Elizabeth Warren: > [@](#): > > ATLANTA — Senator Elizabeth Warren used a speech to a grass-roots conference Saturday to take direct aim at Democrats’ diminished moderate wing, ridiculing Clinton-era policies and jubilantly proclaiming that liberals had taken control of the party. > > While not invoking former President Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton by name, Ms. Warren sent an unambiguous message that she believes the Clinton effort to push Democrats toward the political center should be relegated to history. > Sign Up For the Morning Briefing Newsletter “The Democratic Party isn’t going back to the days of welfare reform and the crime bill,” she said, highlighting measures Mr. Clinton signed into law as president that are reviled by much of the left. “It is not going to happen.” > > Yet Ms. Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat who is widely thought to be considering running for president in 2020, noted to about 1,000 activists here for the yearly Netroots Nation meeting that they hardly needed to worry about the party shifting to the middle as it did in the 1990s. Liberals, she said, have taken charge I fear a repeat of the last election. The left and liberals, thinking they are in the drivers seat and fuck the center will, again, divide the party and give the orange idiot in charge yet another shot at the big chair for another 4 years. It was the liberals and the left, IMHO, who fucked us in the last election. They just couldn’t hold their nose and vote for Hillary, despite the fact that SHE BEAT FREAKING SANDERS. Gods, I hate the political extremes in this country. They are tearing the country I love apart with their stupid, silly games and struggles for power. Well, seems that the Democrats are hell bent on, again, snatching defeat from the certain and slavering jaws of victory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-didnt-support-bernie-sanders/792937.md?page=2)