# "Why I don't think OMG ABC believes his own bullshit" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 26, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984 "2012-10-26T23:47:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/21 "2012-10-28T02:21:25Z")
Not interested, for the reasons he’s stated? Just because Message Board bets are of interest to you, doesn’t mean they have to be to him. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/22 "2012-10-28T03:07:10Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > If he was sincere, I think he’d leap to take my bet. In fact, since the wording is up to him, he has more control over the terms than I do. But he would never agree. You need to ask yourself why. You’re making quite a leap from “refusing to bet you” to “not believing what I type”. It’s almost like daring someone to a fight, and when they decline declaring it’s because they know they’d lose. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/23 "2012-10-28T03:21:10Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > there’s been a remarkable lack of interest in this bet. I wonder why? Because it’s childish and stupid and he has nothing to gain by doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/24 "2012-10-28T03:52:26Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > If he was sincere, I think he’d leap to take my bet. In fact, since the wording is up to him, he has more control over the terms than I do. But he would never agree. You need to ask yourself why. Because he doesn’t feel like dancing at your command? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/25 "2012-10-28T04:09:53Z")
This thread needs someone offering to pay **prr** to let them dip their balls in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/26 "2012-10-28T06:50:02Z")
Fuck it. I’m just drunk enough. OMG: If Romney wins, I donate $100 to SarahPac or another charity or political organization of your choice. If Obama wins, you give $100 to Planned Parenthood. Loser to post a picture of themselves holding a handwritten note saying “I, [black rabbit/OMGABC], gargle [OMGABC/black rabbit]'s balls”, to Imgur. Loser to also post a PDF or JPG of the email sent by the charity confirming the donation, with all personally identifying information obscured per the poster’s individual discretion. All of the above named links must be made to this thread. You on? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/27 "2012-10-28T08:33:28Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > If he was sincere, I think he’d leap to take my bet. In fact, since the wording is up to him, he has more control over the terms than I do. But he would never agree. You need to ask yourself why. You’re a fucking idiot. Let’s say he _was_ faking it. Why would that prevent him from taking your stupid bet and putting it into his sig line? Wouldn’t that only support his cover? You’re a bad person and you should feel bad. I mean, Jesus, you have to suck pretty hard to pit **Omg** and wind up getting teabagged by half the board. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/28 "2012-10-28T08:44:49Z")
And for the record, I don’t know anything (or care) one way or the other regarding **Omg** ’s sincerity. I just know (and care) that you’re fucking stupid. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/29 "2012-10-28T12:22:48Z")
You draw what conclusions you choose about OMG’s reasons for refusing to support his contentions with anything that matters, and about my intelligence. I draw the obvious conclusion that he doesn’t want to lose this bet, and the odds are overwhelming that he would, and he knows it. If I offered to bet him the same, but on the contention that Romney will win no more than 200 Electoral College votes (i.e., that this election will result in an Obama blowout landslide), and you don’t think he’d take me up on that? It is to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/30 "2012-10-28T13:33:43Z")
Declining a stupid internet bet (or any other kind of bet) is not “refusing to support his contentions with anything that matters.” ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/31 "2012-10-28T13:59:14Z")
Yes it is. But if it’s so stupid to support with some vaguely material stakes your conviction that something will or will not occur, why spend so much effort arguing that it will or won’t? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/32 "2012-10-28T15:32:02Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Yes it is. > > But if it’s so stupid to support with some vaguely material stakes your conviction that something will or will not occur, why spend so much effort arguing that it will or won’t? If Romney wins will you run the bases at Citi Field naked? It’s not a bet, just judging your level of commitment. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/33 "2012-10-28T15:43:23Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If Romney wins will you run the bases at Citi Field naked? It’s not a bet, just judging your level of commitment. If OMG would agree to run the bases similarly dressed, I’d consider it. Probably overstates my degree of confidence in Obama by a little, though I’ve often wanted to do that run, preferably in front of a 4th of July audience. The point, of course, to be remotely serious for just a second, is that like a money bet (I’d gladly wager $100 or $200 at even money on Obama) this is essentially unenforceable on the SD (and trust me I have more experience than anyone here in collecting money on the SD) but a sig line bet is going to be enforced. No one would let me post without being reminded that I reneged on my bet if I lost and then refused to post a sig line as promised. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/34 "2012-10-28T18:13:24Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I actually am not interested in betting him money that Obama will win the election. I’m interested in shaming him (and risking shaming myself) by offering to bet that the loser will put something embarrassing in his sig line, something along the lines of “I was embarrassingly wrong about the 2012 election, pretending to have confidence in an outcome that did not happen” and there’s been a remarkable lack of interest in this bet. I wonder why? Because it’s fucking stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/35 "2012-10-28T18:54:41Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Great, just what an obvious troll needs, a whole thread dedicated to him. For fuck’s sake people, how much more blatant does a troll need to get? :rolleyes: I don’t get the mindset of someone that would set out to say outrageous things just for the sake of saying them. There’s enough crazy out there without faking it. Maybe it’s an attention-whore thing, but if so, it doesn’t work. If I get a whiff of that off someone, I’ll IGNORE them. As I said, there’s enough real crazy already. Pseudotriton, maybe I’m misremembering, but don’t you have an history on this board of bets going badly? Someone left the board because those were the stakes of a bet, and ISTR that was you. If that’s the case, perhaps you should learn from that. If not, the example still stands - political discussions get heated enough without this kind of escalation. Do what mature people do: wait until after the election, and dance & gloat relentlessly in a Pit thread 🙂 It’s a message board. TRY not to get too invested in what goes on here. It’s not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/36 "2012-10-28T20:02:21Z")
**prr** , you realize you’re basically pulling a Trump here, right? You’re offering **OMG** a challenge, and when he declines it for entirely rational reasons you want to be able to use that as “proof” of something. It’s just embarrassing for you. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/37 "2012-10-28T20:38:06Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > Pseudotriton, maybe I’m misremembering, but don’t you have an history on this board of bets going badly? Someone left the board because those were the stakes of a bet, and ISTR that was you. If that’s the case, perhaps you should learn from that. Wow, have you got that wrong. I was offered $500 to leave the board, I finally worked it out so I got the $500 (Yay, me! Never happier about a business transaction in my life!) and then the guy who paid me said, “Oh, and I don’t care if you come back or not. You can keep the $500, too.” If that is your idea of losing a bet–collecting $500 and getting to do what you were paid off to refrain from, anyway–I’d like to lose a bet like that to you on a regular basis. I think it’s pretty well indisputable at this point that OMB is trolling here, and that he doesn’t believe Romney will win for an instant. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/38 "2012-10-28T21:34:05Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Wow, have you got that wrong. I was offered $500 to leave the board, I finally worked it out so I got the $500 (Yay, me! Never happier about a business transaction in my life!) and then the guy who paid me said, “Oh, and I don’t care if you come back or not. You can keep the $500, too.” > > If that is your idea of losing a bet–collecting $500 and getting to do what you were paid off to refrain from, anyway–I’d like to lose a bet like that to you on a regular basis. > > I think it’s pretty well indisputable at this point that OMB is trolling here, and that he doesn’t believe Romney will win for an instant. I got it wrong, but not in the way I thought. I figured I might be wrong in remembering it was you. Wow, wish I could get $500 not to post somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/39 "2012-10-29T00:52:04Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Because **OMG a Black Conservative** consistently refuses to put his money where his mouth is. > > I actually am not interested in betting him money that Obama will win the election. I’m interested in shaming him (and risking shaming myself) by offering to bet that the loser will put something embarrassing in his sig line, something along the lines of “I was embarrassingly wrong about the 2012 election, pretending to have confidence in an outcome that did not happen” and there’s been a remarkable lack of interest in this bet. I wonder why? Wow, something embarrassing in his sig line. Do they call you “The Plankton” when you visit Vegas? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984/40 "2012-10-29T01:10:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wow, something embarrassing in his sig line. Do they call you “The Plankton” when you visit Vegas? I admit, it’s very small potatoes. But he isn’t willing to risk even that. What does that tell you? It tells me he doesn’t believe his own bullshit. If it’s your bullshit, too, you may choose to think it’s something else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-dont-think-omg-abc-believes-his-own-bullshit/638984.md?page=3)