# Why I will drink heavily on Election Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434 "2023-10-12T03:33:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/1 "2023-10-12T03:33:30Z")
I have despised Biden since the 80s. I just found out he’s trying to solve the student debt crisis still which IMO is worse than the mortgage crisis of 2008. I have to give him a chance to finish the job right? Vote for him? Is it to much to hope he solves the crisis quite quick and dies making President Harris? Why are you drinking to near alcohol poisoning on November 5, 2024? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/2 "2023-10-12T03:43:08Z")
Sheeee-it, dude. Not that I have unqualified admiration for Biden myself, but you think [his administration’s ongoing efforts to alleviate the student debt crisis](https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0212/is-student-loan-debt-the-next-financial-crisis.aspx) are something to despise him for? Despite sticking with those efforts in the teeth of a virulently obstructionist Republican Party and undermining Supreme Court? > [@](#): > > In 2022, the Biden-Harris administration announced its Student Loan Debt Relief plan, intended to forgive up to $20,000 in student loan debt per borrower. The White House estimated more than 90% of the relief would go to households making less than $75,000.6 > > However, the action was met with legal challenges. On June 30, 2023, the Supreme Court declared the program unconstitutional, forcing the Biden-Harris administration to pivot to new measures for student debt relief. […] > > In response to the Supreme Court decision, the Biden-Harris administration announced the Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) plan. The new plan, which replaced the older REPAYE plan, includes several student debt relief measures, such as: > > - Lowering monthly payments to 5% of discretionary income for undergraduate borrowers > - Raising the discretionary income threshold, which means an estimated one million borrowers will owe $0 per month because they do not make enough to have discretionary income > - Forgiving loan balances after 10 years of payments if the original loan balance was $12,000 or less > - Ending the capitalization of unpaid interest, which means student loan balances will never grow as long as borrowers keep current with their payments8 > > The COVID-19 moratorium on student loan payments and interest has come to an end. Interest began accumulating again on September 1, 2023, and the first student loan payments since the pandemic were due on October 1. > > To help financially vulnerable borrowers, the White House also announced a payment “on-ramp” period from October 1, 2023, to September 30, 2024. Payments will be due during this time, and interest will accrue on student loan debt, but that interest will not capitalize at the end of the 12 months. Additionally, borrowers with late, missed, or partial payments will not be considered in default, reported to credit bureaus, or referred to collections agencies. […] > > Other Debt Forgiveness Measures > > Before the sweeping relief, targeted debt forgiveness had already taken effect for students who attended predatory or fraudulent schools. Students that attended several technical or vocational schools, such as ITT Technical Institute, may be eligible for federal loan forgiveness.11 > > On a broader scale, the Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) program allows those that work in public service positions to receive debt forgiveness after 120 qualifying payments while working in a nonprofit or government job. Income-based repayment programs also aim to lessen the monthly financial burden for low-income borrowers. Yeah, I’m just so pissed off at Biden for not having fixed climate change and eliminated the national debt, too. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/3 "2023-10-12T03:44:17Z")
Moderating: As this is more of a rant than a topic worthy of P&E, this is closed. @Saint_Cad, please let me know if you would like this reopened in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/4 "2023-10-12T03:44:28Z")
Closed on October 12, 2023, 3:44am UTC ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/5 "2023-10-12T03:57:52Z")
Opened on October 12, 2023, 3:57am UTC ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/6 "2023-10-12T03:58:22Z")
At the request of the OP, this thread is reopened in the Pit. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/7 "2023-10-12T04:02:52Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not that I have unqualified admiration for Biden myself, but you think [his administration’s ongoing efforts to alleviate the student debt crisis](https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0212/is-student-loan-debt-the-next-financial-crisis.aspx) are something to despise him for? You’re confused. That is the only thing I **don’t** despise him for. In fact, I think he’s (OK be brave here) doing a good job on it and deserves more time to work on it. Now let me hide in the dark and cry having admitted my shameful secret. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/8 "2023-10-12T04:12:47Z")
If you try hard, I’m sure your irrational hatred for Biden and the Democrats can overcome this obstacle and become pure once again. Don’t give up-We have faith in you! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/9 "2023-10-12T04:17:33Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > You’re confused. That is the only thing I **don’t** despise him for. In fact, I think he’s (OK be brave here) doing a good job on it and deserves more time to work on it. Now let me hide in the dark and cry having admitted my shameful secret. Oh. Um, okay. Sorry, I guess I completely misread your OP. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/10 "2023-10-12T04:29:51Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why are you drinking to near alcohol poisoning on November 5, 2024? Because it’s Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/11 "2023-10-12T07:41:47Z")
Bidens done a fantastic job, and in the face of the most unethical and obstructionist house we’ve seen in modern times. But yes, I’m nervous about the election, who isn’t? Despite everything, despite every hypocrisy and destructive action of maga, Joe’s apparent frailness, and “eggs used to be cheaper” (despite the fact that the US’ low inflation is the envy of the developed world) may well be the things that determine the result 😞 ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/12 "2023-10-12T08:44:43Z")
Drink all you want; I own stock! Personally, I think it helps to explain your raging hatred of a great president better than assuming ( without evidence ) that some medical condition might be taking advantage of your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/13 "2023-10-12T12:54:37Z")
😃 Ah, here’s my table! Scooch over, @kayaker’s coming. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/14 "2023-10-12T13:12:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I have despised Biden since the 80s. Why? I mean, I get that he’s a politician, and maybe his policies don’t align with yours, but as far as politicians go, his career is not one that screams “despise me”, it more like quietly indicates “competent guy from Delaware”. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/15 "2023-10-12T13:56:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I have despised Biden since the 80s And your opinion of Trump is? ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/16 "2023-10-12T14:05:53Z")
I’m surprised that, 15 posts in, the 800lb gorilla in the room hasn’t been mentioned yet as a reason (that’s hardly even a metaphor, heehee), but if trump is the Repub nominee, which as of now it’s very likely he will be, that is why I will be drinking heavily on Election Day (and possibly for the next 4 years after that). ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/17 "2023-10-12T14:10:03Z")
> [@glee](#): > > And your opinion of Trump is? There’s a certain type of rightwinger that really hates Trump, but can’t bring themselves to oppose him, so they redirect all that rage into making excuses as to why they won’t support the person most likely to defeat Trump. > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Why? I mean, I get that he’s a politician, and maybe his policies don’t align with yours, but as far as politicians go, his career is not one that screams “despise me”, it more like quietly indicates “competent guy from Delaware”. If you’ve been consuming political propaganda uncritically since the 80’s, then you will believe that Biden is a serial liar who plagiarizes all his campaign speeches, and since you’ve believed it for 40 years, you’re not about to re-examine it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/18 "2023-10-12T14:31:12Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > then you will believe that Biden is a serial liar who plagiarizes all his campaign speeches, Remember when that was considered disqualifying? I don’t have the space here to list the things Trump has done which are way worse and not considered a problem for half of our voters. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/19 "2023-10-12T14:33:45Z")
There’s absolutely no reason to start drinking heavily on Election Day, when there’s ample reason to up your intake much earlier to blot out the “debates”, horse race media coverage and primaries/caucuses. Actually, there’s some point to going on an epic bender on Election Night if polling is at all close. Anything to avoid a repeat of 2016, i.e. waking up to find Trump is President…again. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434/20 "2023-10-13T02:12:19Z")
There’ll definitely be a point where I stop reading P&E and the Pit, I’ll tell you that… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-will-drink-heavily-on-election-day/991434.md?page=2)