# Why I would vote for Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 27, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398 "2016-01-27T19:05:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/21 "2016-01-28T02:38:28Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > It’s no accident that his strongest source of support is among high school dropouts. Do you happen to have a cite for that out of curiosity? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/22 "2016-01-28T03:00:30Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Will it work long term? Beats me. This is pretty much unprecedented, at least in the US. Even Schwarzenegger had a veneer of thoughtfulness and responsibility. Trump has cut that cord entirely, and shown absolutely no shame. Trump is riding this thing as hard as he can, and that succeeds with a certain slice of the population. It’s no accident that his strongest source of support is among high school dropouts. Heh, I always think how bad is for the Republicans nowadays that are just realizing that Schwarzenegger is one of the few remaining smart Republican politicians. > **[Arnold Schwarzenegger's shockingly reasonable climate-change plea](https://www.salon.com/2015/12/11/arnold_schwarzeneggers_shockingly_reasonable_climate_change_plea/)** > > The former governor & movie star makes an emphatic call for climate action. Of course the GOP won't listen > [@](#): > > Arnold Schwarzenegger’s shockingly reasonable climate-change plea > The former governor & movie star makes an emphatic call for climate action. Of course the GOP won’t listen And when he was governor climate change was one of his issues. But nowadays among Republican politicians: > **[Donald Trump On Climate Change: 'I Believe There’s Weather'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-global-warming_n_5601d04fe4b08820d91aa753)** > > "So I am not a believer, and I will, unless somebody can prove something to me, I believe there’s weather." [QUOTE=Donald Trump] The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. 12:15 PM - 6 Nov 2012 [/QUOTE] :smack: So yeah, I have seen everything now, who knew that Arnold was going to become the smartest of the Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/23 "2016-01-28T03:00:51Z")
> [@ElderSign](#): > > It is a shame so many moderate or liberal intellectuals on here and other forums are afraid of Trump for being a conservative Republican, or dare I say a racist fascist, when there is evidence that shows him as a true Independent or a Progressive or a Liberal Republican or a Conservative Democrat or just a capitalist businessman/entertainer with no political identity… When I weigh the “evidence” against the man’s recent speech and behavior… I find the “evidence” sorely lacking. Not to mention his gross ignorance of politics, policy, and government. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/24 "2016-01-28T03:46:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That is as easily as delusional as any Trump supporter you imagine. Get a grip on reality, he is speaking and connecting with actual people. The people cheering aren’t all doing it ironically. Ignore this at your peril. Pfffttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/25 "2016-01-28T04:20:33Z")
> [@ElderSign](#): > > It is a shame so many moderate or liberal intellectuals on here and other forums are afraid of Trump for being a conservative Republican, or dare I say a racist fascist, when there is evidence that shows him as a true Independent or a Progressive or a Liberal Republican or a Conservative Democrat or just a capitalist businessman/entertainer with no political identity. > > We are talking about someone who was with the Reform Party and is buds with Jesse Ventura and Howard Stern. > > Both The Washington Post and National Review label him as a populist. Being a populist does not exclude one from being a racist or a fascist. You have to remember that Trump is also on the record of telling us that his positions have “evolved” (Yeah I think he missed a “d” at the beginning.). Lets check the bible, that Trump claims to know a huge deal about it: Proverbs 13:20 NIV “Walk with the wise and become wise, for a companion of fools suffers harm.” IOW: “tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are” One big clue of what we can expect from the devolved Trump is from one who he with owe a lot of favors if he gets elected, his current campaign manager Sam Clovis: [http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Sam\_Clovis.htm](http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Sam_Clovis.htm) And then whoever are Trump’s sources when he Tweets. > **[Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/)** > > Update (June 8, 2020): This viral image started recirculating on social media after the death of George Floyd. It remain > **[We Found Where Donald Trump's "Black Crimes" Graphic Came From](https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45291_We_Found_Where_Donald_Trumps_Black_Crimes_Graphic_Came_From)** > > So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic: "@SeanSean252: @WayneDupreeShow @Rockprincess818 @CheriJacobus pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN" — Donald J. Trump... > [@](#): > > Notice that he’s an admirer of Hitler: > > > [@](#): > > > > Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache. > > And his avatar, that looks like a modified swastika, is the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement. > > So there you have it. Donald Trump is posting racist imagery that comes directly from neo-Nazis. > > I hope you’re not surprised that a guy like Donald Trump, who continually spouts fascist rhetoric, is attracted to fascist memes posted by neo-Nazis. This is where the right wing has ended up in 2015. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/26 "2016-01-28T05:35:08Z")
Trump reminds me a lot of George W Bush, but without the sense of restraint. Both fancied themselves as big picture guys who could leave the details to others. So in W’s case, his underlings discovered they could get their ideas adopted if they kept saying, “Game changer”, during their presentationd. And we got an incompetently executed Iraq War as well as poorly led Emergency Management leading to the Katrina disaster. The difference is that Trump is an ignoramous: he hasn’t a clue about his limitations. He made a habit of buying properties during the late 1980s and early 1990s, then losing interest after the deal was closed. So his management of the Plaza hotel, Eastern Air Shuttle, Atlantic City casinos and Trump Steaks was a disaster which is to say basically nonexistent. Switching to branding was the best thing he ever did: he’s a salesman, not a manager. Bloomberg became a billionaire providing financial service terminals. Trump comments, “I don’t even know why other companies haven’t come up with a better machine. I mean why? [It’s so simple.](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum?page=1&if=1&noe=1&click=)” There you have it folks. It’s easy to come up with a better product: you just do it. Only total ignoramouses think this way. Given his business failures and inability to recognize the vast gaps in his skill set, you would want to keep Trump as far away from the Oval Office as possible. Trump thinks everything is easy because he has absolutely no idea of how the nuts and bolts of any business is run, including gambling and air transport. At least W recognized his weaknesses and tried to compensate for them. Kevin Drum: [INDENT]Every time he tries to do something that’s even slightly out of his wheelhouse (namely property development and bluster) he fails miserably, but he still thinks everything is easy. And his fans believe him.[/INDENT] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/27 "2016-01-28T05:51:39Z")
Indeed, there is evidence that Trump is a populist. Also evidence that he is a conservative, a liberal, a reactionary, and a deep and humane thinker. What? Shit, fuckin’ ottercorrect. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/28 "2016-01-28T06:05:11Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Given his business failures and inability to recognize the vast gaps in his skill set, you would want to keep Trump as far away from the Oval Office as possible. Trump thinks everything is easy because he has absolutely no idea of how the nuts and bolts of any business is run, including gambling and air transport. At least W recognized his weaknesses and tried to compensate for them. To add to this nice post, it seems to me that this points to one reason (out of desperation mostly) the establishment Republicans are willing to sell their souls, they expect to be able to put people in powerful positions, just like in “the good old times”. That those times of Bush the lesser where not good for most Americans is not a problem for them. But the twist is that I expect that those misguided Republicans will find that it will be the troll partiers the ones with more access to powerful positions. Just think about the supreme court candidates that we will get. Any Democrat is more preferable than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/29 "2016-01-28T06:05:18Z")
I don’t mean to interrupt, but I feel that some people are grasping to say that Trump is an enormous unserious turgid goddamn dickbucket who can go fuck himself in his own personal butthole. I don’t have big personal feelings about this, I just thought I would throw that out there. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/30 "2016-01-28T06:23:30Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > He is to 2016 politics what Steve Austin was to 1996 pro wrestling. He’s playing the anti-hero bad guy and they’re eating it up. You know, that’s exactly what his campaign is missing. A little more WWF style production. Maybe he can replace “Make America Great Again” with “Trump 3:16”. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/31 "2016-01-28T12:43:17Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Do you happen to have a cite for that out of curiosity? I believe I read it on CNN, but I’m having a hard time tracking it down. The polls I’ve been able to find thus far only indicate “[high school and below](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/27/donald-trumps-surge-is-heavily-reliant-on-less-educated-americans-heres-why/),” though those numbers are indeed telling. I’ll keep looking. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/32 "2016-01-28T14:02:01Z")
What America needs is a reactionary, insecure, narcissistic, unstable, petty ego-maniac with poor impulse control as Commander-in-Chief. Congratulations to the GOP for making freaking Hillary Clinton look like Winston Churchill. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/33 "2016-01-28T14:04:25Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > 1. Given his political history, Trump may be the only Republican candidate that doesn’t believe his own bullshit. Cruz and Rubio are honest in their beliefs which is not necessarily a good thing. I suspect President Trump may be a moderate - or at least as close as a Pub can get to moderate. I don’t think he believes in anything but himself. He would no more govern according to any beliefs or ideology than he campaigns. He would do whatever the hell he feels like at the moment, just because he could. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/34 "2016-01-28T18:02:43Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > What America needs is a reactionary, insecure, narcissistic, unstable, petty ego-maniac with poor impulse control as Commander-in-Chief. And this time, one that won’t up and resign when the heat is on! ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/35 "2016-01-29T03:43:19Z")
> [@typoink](#): > > I genuinely think the guy sees the country as a big money-making machine, and he is concerned solely with making sure the output nozzle is comfortably tucked into his pocket. Well, that’s how I saw Romney. But there are lots of near-billionaires in New York who want a money-making machine. I think Trump is different; he wants fame, and is willing to lose out on some money to get it. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > So yeah, I have seen everything now, who knew that Arnold was going to become the smartest of the Republicans? Maria Shriver? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/36 "2016-01-29T14:24:42Z")
If it was Trump vs Cruz, I’d vote for Trump. Can’t think of any other scenario at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/37 "2016-01-29T14:45:55Z")
I’m wondering if trump can pull this off. I’m hoping then rest of the country will not fall under his sway the way then most conservative 15% of the electorate has, but who knows. Trump has been underestimated since the beginning and he keeps coming back. We will see. I like the fact that the gop hates him so much though. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/38 "2016-01-29T14:50:36Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > You know, that’s exactly what his campaign is missing. A little more WWF style production. Maybe he can replace “Make America Great Again” with “Trump 3:16”. Sadly, [Flyin’ Brian Pillman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Pillman) is no longer with us. But Ventura’s probably available to be his running mate. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/39 "2016-01-29T17:41:12Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I don’t mean to interrupt, but I feel that some people are grasping to say that Trump is an enormous unserious turgid goddamn dickbucket who can go fuck himself in his own personal butthole. snip. There’s no reason to obfuscate. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398/40 "2016-01-29T18:27:44Z")
I’ll admit that I’ve warmed to Trump, but that’s like saying 100 below freezing is warmer than Absolute Zero. Cruz and Rubio scare me because they seem to be true believers. Most of the rest come off like that (except Christie) but have no shot at getting elected. Trump, yes, might be a pragmatic guy hiding beneath all the bluster. I’m still not going to vote for him and would still vote Democratic 100 times out of 100, but he strikes me as the least bad of the GOP bunch likely to get nominated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-i-would-vote-for-trump/744398.md?page=3)