# Why if you disagree with Obama and his policies some label you as a racist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918 "2011-09-11T05:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/21 "2011-09-11T12:50:06Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > Okay, first off my skin is plenty thick. Your comments were not only mild but without a doubt one of the most stupid things I have read in a long time. You showed that you aren’t interested in the topic. You are interested in showing your hate of the right. You don’t like the right, fair enough but save it for another thread. :rolleyes: Given that you are an admitted Republican, the Right and the reasons why someone might be condemned for belonging to it are a basic part of this discussion. You can’t rationally simultaneously ask why people accuse you of something and then demand that people not tell you why. > [@obbn](#): > > I am not refusing to link to anything. Re-reading this thread I fail to find anywhere that I stated “I won’t tell you what thread it is”, but then agian I never mentioned race in the other one, but that didn’t stop someone insinuating racism. And how do we know that unless you provide a link? Your judgment on what is and is not racist is clearly not very accurate if you don’t even recognize the racism endemic in the Republican party. > [@obbn](#): > > But don’t let the truth get in the way of your attempt to make a point. I posted quite clearly the relavent sections of the post and made it very clear that the thread I was discussing had to do with Obama’s spending. A quick click of my stats and a scroll down the first page would have easily lead you to the correct thread. With your attitude of superiority I would think that it would have been quite easy for you to quickly find the thread in question. :rolleyes: I’m not interested in searching through all your posts and _then_ searching through thread after thread to guess at what you are referring to. You’ve made a claim about what you were saying and are refusing to back it up. > [@obbn](#): > > So, I see you are EXACTLY the kind of person the would resort to using the word “nigger” and throw the racism card out to try to win your argument. ‘’ How would you or the poster I was refering to have any idea what was in my head? It sure wasn’t based on what I posted, but once again, don’t let the facts get in the way of you trashing another persons character. First, I’ve never used that word. Second, being a Republican is enough to trash anyone’s character. And third, guessing is all anyone can do since you refuse to provide any links. > [@obbn](#): > > I guess you are right though. We Republicans, the party of the racist. We certianly aren’t the party the put Clarence Thomas on the bench (boy I wonder who was against him? A notorious Uncle Tom, a suck-up, a lightweight and an embarrassment to the court. > [@obbn](#): > > But that was only for his politics right? It had nothing to do with his race?), had an African American Secretary of State, Conoleezza Rice and a Commander of the U.S. Army Forces Command and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Colin Powell who happens to also be African American. Jeez, how the hell did we let that happen? Ah, Colin Powell. A man who was used and discarded, his reputation ruined. And bringing up one or two black people hardly disproves the racism of the Republican Party, since that’s something they’ve been doing for years. You can tell where the black guy is at a Republican gathering is because the cameras are all watching him. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/22 "2011-09-11T13:35:43Z")
It comes down to this: the complaints against Obama are usually so nonsensical and irrational that we assume you are either completely brainwashed, a moron or you just personally do not like the guy for some reason. Personally when i see people complaining about historically low taxes or massive spending i don’t immediately assume they are racists, i immediately assume they are idiots but not every liberal is the same. When the grand majority of a group based entirely around taxes does not know that taxes have been lowered for most of them under Obama that’s not racism, that’s just plain stupid. When people blame the deficit on Obamas spending rather on Bush tax cuts and unpaid wars and rising healthcare costs that’s not racism, that’s idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/23 "2011-09-11T13:37:38Z")
**obbn** , serious question. In the 2 1/2 years of the Obama administration, the debt has gone up by a third. During the eight years of the Reagan administration, the debt rose by 186%. That means that under Obama, the debt is rising at a rate of about 13% per year. Under Reagan, the debt rose by about 23% per year, almost twice the rate of debt increase. In terms of spending increases, under Reagan spending almost doubled from 1981 to 1989 – from $678 billion to $1.14 trillion – which includes a 40% increase in his first term alone. Not including the latest rounds of deficit reduction agreements, spending under Obama is projected to go up by about 26% comparing Bush’s last year of spending to Obama’s projected 2013 budget (that’s $2.98 trillion to $3.77 trillion). Therefore, spending in Reagan’s first term increased at a rate 50% greater than in Obama’s first term (as projected). Some people blame Democratic control of Congress for the rise in debt during the Reagan years. You must admit that Democrats did not control Congress for eight years, because the Republicans (under Howard Baker and Bob Dole) controlled the Senate for six of those years. It is clear that Reagan made the debt far worse, at a much faster rate, than Obama has. And yet, conservatives place him on a pedestal for cutting taxes (which, of course, worsened the deficits), and are prepared to castigate Obama to being one of the worst presidents ever due the rise in the debt under his leadership. But this doesn’t make sense… it is just a fact that Reagan made the debt far, far worse than Obama has. It’s in [black and white](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms). I’m not saying that we shouldn’t worry about the debt. But the heaps of conservative criticism of Obama (which runs a government with tax rates far lower than in Reagan’s terms) seems out of proportion to the conservative position on the Reagan legacy. If debt and spending are such important issues, do you care to unscramble this puzzle for me? Why, if Obama is objectively less bad than Reagan on spending, taxes, and debt, is he viewed to be so much worse? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/24 "2011-09-11T13:41:35Z")
The thread in question is here - [Have Americans finished paying for Reagan’s spending yet?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=623709) I was the one who made the comment and got (rightfully) warned for it. I have already responded via PM to **OBBN** about the accusation and my reasoning for it. I also said I wasn’t interested in rehashing all of this publicly since it’s been done to death here. FWIW, my reasoning somewhat follows that outline by **The Second Stone** in his first and third posts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/25 "2011-09-11T13:45:49Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > I would love to see him succeed as that would mean that all of us would benefit. You do realize that puts you in your party’s minority, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/26 "2011-09-11T14:16:40Z")
Because he’s a Democrat. That’s what it basically boils down to. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/27 "2011-09-11T14:19:38Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > Hello All, > Full Disclosure: I am a Republican, was a liberal when I was in my early 20’s, but > came to my senses. You poisoned that well in the very first sentence of your OP. Well done! > [@obbn](#): > > So why is it that it seems that if you are a Republican today and you disagree with the current administration that someone, somewhere ends up calling you a racist? Because there are Republicans to this day who still insist that Obama isn’t a “real American”, and that any proof to the contrary is all the result of one of the most massive conspiracies in history. And because when you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/28 "2011-09-11T14:20:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You do realize that puts you in your party’s minority, don’t you? Definitely. Your party’s position right now is that the main benefit they are looking for is the President’s downfall. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/29 "2011-09-11T14:21:30Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Because there are Republicans to this day who still insist that Obama isn’t a “real American”, and that any proof to the contrary is all the result of one of the most massive conspiracies in history. That doesn’t make them racists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/30 "2011-09-11T14:25:44Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > That doesn’t make them racists. What does it make them, then? ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/31 "2011-09-11T14:30:10Z")
As long as you don’t call him Rufus Jones or talk about his free porkchop stimulus package it should be okay ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/32 "2011-09-11T14:34:31Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Cuz you kept your mouth shut about the same thing for eight years, and when a guy comes into office who is very concerned with matching the two ends up, you suddenly think it is the most important thing in the world that spending be reined in and end your silence. Since you clearly aren’t an imbecile (you write coherently) those watching must ascribe it to either you don’t like Obama’s politics, which are the same as Bush’s in every f’in respect, or that there is something personal about him that you do not like, such as he doesn’t sound like a hillbilly when he talks, like Bush. But even hillbillies understand that the POTUS should have good diction, so that can’t be it, so what is it? Could it be because he is black? It’s possible. I’m not going to jump to that conclusion as my Regis Philbin “Final Answer” just yet. > > Why don’t you enlighten us? Why do you dump on Obama for the very things you kept silent about Bush for? > > Do you ever have racist thoughts? I do. But I don’t act on them. I have all sorts of ugly, beastly inner demons, including occasional racist thoughts. But I don’t act on them. And if I do, I damn well apologize and fix it. > > I voted for Obama and regret it. He is Joe Lieberman without the whine. A Republican pretending to be a Democrat. If I’m going to vote for a Republican, I’d rather vote for the real thing. Romney or Huntsman could get my vote. If it’s Perry or some other nutjob, I’ll vote for Obama without hesitation. Bush didn’t sound anything like a hillbilly, hillbillies are Appalachian and sound vastly different from Texans (even Texans who don’t sound like “true” Texans such as Bush.) ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/33 "2011-09-11T14:38:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What does it make them, then? I’m going to have to say-- and this is a total guess-- conspiracy theorists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/34 "2011-09-11T14:47:18Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’m going to have to say-- and this is a total guess-- conspiracy theorists. Reminds me of what Bert the Turtle used to say. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/35 "2011-09-11T14:47:23Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’m going to have to say-- and this is a total guess-- conspiracy theorists. Not all of them, > **[Are Donald Trump and his fellow 'birthers' racist?](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0430/Are-Donald-Trump-and-his-fellow-birthers-racist)** > > Donald Trump faces a backlash from those who see the “birther” movement as a new form of racism, which a new study seems to confirm. Trump has problems with conservatives too. > [@](#): > > As reported in USA Today this week, a study led by Eric Hehman of the University of Delaware in the March Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, suggests so. > > As part of the study, 295 students were asked a series of questions used to gauge prejudice. Other questions addressed Obama’s performance as president as well as his “Americanism.” Those with a greater tendency toward racism rated Obama lower. > > “Many in the media have speculated that current criticisms of Obama are a result of his race, rather than his agenda,” the study concluded. “We believe that the current results are an empirical demonstration that this is sadly the case.” > > As analyzed by psychologist Jack Brigham of Florida State University, an expert in racial attitudes research who was not part of the study, "the results strongly support a role of racism in the birther movement,” he told USA Today. > **[Award-winning research shows racial bias influences views of Obama](http://www1.udel.edu/udaily/2011/apr/research-prejudice-042811.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/36 "2011-09-11T14:51:26Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’m going to have to say-- and this is a total guess-- conspiracy theorists. Nobody expects the No True Scotsman defense! Who knew we had so many [Conspiracy Theorist Republican politicians](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/-heres-tpms-roundup-of.php)? Isn’t it dangerous to keep those guys in office, since, as you say, they’re just looking for more conspiracies to believe in? Since they’re Conspiracy Theorists (not racists, no sir!), one can only imagine that they doubt that we landed men on the Moon, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/37 "2011-09-11T15:01:16Z")
It’s mostly because you’re on the SDMB. On this board you aren’t arguing with regular Democrats, I know a lot of regular Democrats. Union workers, blacks who are beholden to the party, moderates who were majorly turned off by some of the things that happened under the Bush administration, normal social-safety net advocates and older people who are desperately going to defend Medicare and Social Security to the last man and woman. By and large what you have on the SDMB are not the 90% of the Democratic party who are actually mostly normal people, you have a small subset of the Democratic party that is ultra-radical. You have some outright communist/socialists (however they care to label themselves) like **BrainGlutton** and **Der Trihs** who, when the thread isn’t about Republicans will probably mention the fact that the Democratic party is just another right-wing conservative party and only the lesser of two evils. What you need to understand about political discussion on this board; [ul] [li]Most posters that are frequent participants in the political debates here see the world in black and white. This means they latch onto any one of your positions and extrapolate it to mean you must support every position that falls on the same side of the political spectrum. It also means if you are someone who comes to independent opinions on each of the major issues they will not be able to really understand you and will assume you are lying when you say you don’t support certain positions on your side of the aisle.[/li][li]As a place majority-occupied by left wing radicals, they tend to think everyone is radical like they are. So if you come out as a Conservative you can’t just be a regular Conservative, to them there is no such things, all Republicans/Conservatives are Pat Robertson or Glenn Beck, and you will be pressed to defend the most radical positions of the Republican party regardless of your true position on those issues.[/li][li]There is also an obsession with President Bush II and Reagan. If you criticize anything about President Obama that Bush II or Reagan did during their Presidencies you will immediately be called a hypocrite. In a more reasonable place people will understand that no two time periods are identical for one, there are many things Abraham Lincoln did to win the Civil War that were massive violations of civil rights. I support those massive violations and through the lens of history view them as necessary. If Bush II had done some of the more egregious things Lincoln did in response to 9/11, I would have opposed those actions (“Extraordinary Rendition” and “Warrantless Wiretapping” and “Firing U.S. Attorneys” are child’s play compared to the stuff Lincoln did, btw.) So there is some validity that perhaps some of Reagan’s spending (happened during the Cold War, for example) might have been justified when say, Bush II’s or Obama’s wasn’t. [/li][li]The “Southern Strategy” by which the GOP captured the South will sometimes be brought up as “proof” that the GOP is inherently racist. This is a whole separate debate, but what I will instead say is that historically many of the Democrat Southerners were out of step with the rest of the party on every issue outside of race, and once the Democrats nationally decided they would not be the anti-Civil Rights party the racist Southern Dems lost a true home for their racist views, and the GOP was able to integrate them into the party. I do not see any major national party activities in the last 30 years in which the GOP has tried to implement racist policies. However on this forum virtually any action by the GOP is likely to be labeled racist, the “extreme” idea of trying to get some system in place to verify who someone is that is coming into a polling station is seen as veiled racism designed to disenfranchise blacks. In the real world even some of the worst run countries in Africa have started introducing biometric voter verification systems because it makes _sense_.[/li][li]Radicals on the left _and_ the right share a lot in common with schizoid personality types. They see grand conspiracies every where, they see enemies every where, they believe in the most crack pot conspiracy theories and they are prone to believing in malignant and evil motives from opposing parties. This means you have genuine belief in Bush having stolen the 2000 and 2004 elections, for example. This is also where the idea that Bush has “manufactured” his accent comes from. I think it’s also part of the reason (in addition to some of the other points above) for the “all Obama opponents are racist” comes from. People who are that radical can’t fathom reasoned opposition to their darlings, but instead most ascribe genuine evil as the only reason you could oppose them. Because they are so deeply convinced that most of their enemies are always engaged in elaborate deceptions and running conspiracies they are very likely to think it entirely reasonable to assume that any Republican on the forums who is claiming to not be a racist is obviously just “covering” because that is what **all Republicans do**.[/li][/ul] Once you recognize those things you will quickly not be bothered when some loony-tunes character from these boards labels you a racist. It’s akin to a street preacher or a doomsayer standing on a soap box yelling profanities at you, recognize that it comes from their instability and is not a reflection on you whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/38 "2011-09-11T15:06:50Z")
I don’t care which party is currently courting the racist vote. They will always be among us, tempting the baser instincts of political ambition. If you feel you have been insulted, report it to the forum moderator. If that fails to satisfy, then perhaps the forum is not worth your sincere and well-considered input. What I do care about is how those who control this country economically also feel entitled to control it politically. If going with that flow is what passes for “coming to my senses,” perhaps this forum is not ignorant enough for your ingenuous and unsubstantiated input. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/39 "2011-09-11T15:12:16Z")
The Republican party is the home of black haters and bigots. That does not remotely suggest that they all are that way, but that is where they reside. When a person gets real nasty against Obama in spite of the fact his policies are far too much in line with Bushs’s, it is not hard to see why people might wonder where the hatred is based. The racist signs at tea bagger rallies are not figments of anyones imaginations. Just praise Obama and give out your email and you will get horrible messages of hate. You would be shocked. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/40 "2011-09-11T15:14:04Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > (“Extraordinary Rendition” and “Warrantless Wiretapping” and “Firing U.S. Attorneys” are child’s play compared to the stuff Lincoln did, btw.) BTW, It does not make it good. The renditions, for example, gave us false evidence that helped justify the Iraq war and invasion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=3)