# Why if you disagree with Obama and his policies some label you as a racist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918 "2011-09-11T05:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![obbn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d6d6ee/32.png) [@obbn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obbn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/141 "2011-09-11T21:21:49Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Do you really think the majority of Democrats think you racist when you disagree with Obama? > > After all, you’re asking us to explain the actions of a few- why can’t you see that you’re doing exactly the thing you’re accusing us of doing? Hell, you’ve even accused me of calling you racist. > > You asked why some Democrats call you racist for disagreeing with Obama. I explained why- and now you’re saying that _I’m_ calling you racist. > > Clean out your house before you complain about the mess in our house. No, I don’t think that the majority of Dems fit into any one catagory. However my OP asked not why all Dems cry racism, but why when you disagree with the current Administration those that respond to your critisism label you a racist. In fact the title of the thread was: Why if you disagree with Obama and his policies **some** label you as a racist? Notice that I did not say ALL, I did not make a sweeping motion and include every last Democrat as guilty of doing it. Instead I asked why **some** feel a need to do so. **DEFINITION OF SOME** some    [suhm; unstressed suhm] adjective 1. being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object. 1. (used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home. 1. of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent. 1. unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: We talked for some time. He was here some weeks. 1. Informal . of impressive or remarkable quality, consequence, extent, etc.: That was some storm. You seem quite intelligent judging from the content of your posts. It seems ridiculous that I have to supply you with the above definition. However, the meaning of this word seems to have been lost on you. And while I really don’t recall why I was saying that you called me a racist, if I did I am sure that there was a reason for it. Of the top of my head I believe it because you made the statement that the Republican party was a racist party at heart, so by default I supported it. I will assume that in the post I was responding to your stament at least pointed to the fact. It is a long thread and when time permits I will review and if I was wrong I will be more than happy to admit it. However, for the most part I try to choose my words carefully and keep it focused on the relevant points. I don’t always succeed, but I do try. ---
**Author:** ![obbn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d6d6ee/32.png) [@obbn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obbn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/142 "2011-09-11T21:29:57Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Don’t forget what happened at the Republican debate last week. A crowd of lay Republicans (in CALIFORNIA no less) spontaneously erupted into orgiastic applause when Rick Perry’s record of killing black people was brought up. > > The ONLY thing the Republican Party stands for is white heterosexual supremacy. The mere fact that you are a Republican is enough to condemn you, regardless of Obama’s virtues or lack thereof. Once again I will refer back to my example of a few Communist in the Democrat party. Your lumping everyone in with a few is a great example of how tight the blinders are on. I really didn’t know that I was for “white heterosexual supremacy”. Amazing all these years and now you point that out to me. Funny, because I seem to recall other issues that drew me to the Republican party. In fact, race and sexuality have never been an issue with me. As far as homosexuals, not my thing and I really don’t understand it. However it that is what YOU or anyone else wants to do, well knock yourselves out. Have fun, because I sure don’t care. Something tells me that you (and I could be wrong) would be the first one going balistic if I accused you of supporting the agenda of the extreame left soley because you are a Democrat. Playing both sides of the coin is really a disgusting way to carry on. I find it mind boggling that you are incapable of seeing that one can support a cause or party, but still have personal beliefs that differ from those he assosiates with. Are you going to tell me that you believe and support absolutely 100% of everything that is done and said in the Democrat party. If you do then you are nothing but a blind follower. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/143 "2011-09-11T21:32:36Z")
What makes you think you’re talking to Democrats? I can tell you that several of those you’re talking to (myself included) are independents. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/144 "2011-09-11T21:38:17Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The Tea Party came in to being because REPUBLICANS were spending too much money. There was a huge backlash of Conservatives who vocally criticized the spending. It was discussed in depth by Conservative talk show hosts years before President Obama was elected. The Tea Party didn’t get started until a few months after Obama was inaugurated. Some conservatives might have been grumbling about Bush, but the actual Tea Party, as movement, was a post-Bush phenomenon. > [@Condescending Robot](#): > > ``` > Don't forget what happened at the Republican debate last week. A crowd of lay Republicans (in CALIFORNIA no less) spontaneously erupted into orgiastic applause when Rick Perry's record of killing black people was brought up. > > ``` > > The ONLY thing the Republican Party stands for is white heterosexual supremacy. The mere fact that you are a Republican is enough to condemn you, regardless of Obama’s virtues or lack thereof. What a crock. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/145 "2011-09-11T21:46:09Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Don’t forget what happened at the Republican debate last week. A crowd of lay Republicans (in CALIFORNIA no less) spontaneously erupted into orgiastic applause when Rick Perry’s record of killing black people was brought up. I have never seen a more bigoted statement on this board. This is unbelievably over the top politically derisive garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/146 "2011-09-11T21:54:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The Tea Party didn’t get started until a few months after Obama was inaugurated. Some conservatives might have been grumbling about Bush, but the actual Tea Party, as movement, was a post-Bush phenomenon. There wasn’t just grumbling about Bush, it was a major outcry from Conservatives aimed straight at the Republican party in Congress. The Tea Party is just the name given to the phenomenon and it consists of both Republicans and Democrats who are tired of the lack of responsibility from elected officials. Anyone who is even vaguely aware of the problems of countries like Greece understand we are in trouble. The Democratic party started Obama’s administration off by shoving a job killing health care bill through at a time when the economy was tanking. They then shoved through a “stimulus bill” that was nothing but pork. It didn’t stimulate anything and unemployment hasn’t changed the entire time President Obama has been in office. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/147 "2011-09-11T21:56:50Z")
There was nobody marching with signs before Obama. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/148 "2011-09-11T22:00:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There wasn’t just grumbling about Bush, it was a major outcry from Conservatives aimed straight at the Republican party in Congress. The Tea Party is just the name given to the phenomenon and it consists of both Republicans and Democrats who are tired of the lack of responsibility from elected officials. I don’t know how we can objective determine whether or not there was “major outcry”. We can, however, date the TP movement to early '09, after Obama was inaugurated. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/149 "2011-09-11T22:00:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/150 "2011-09-11T22:00:54Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I have never seen a more bigoted statement on this board. This is unbelievably over the top politically derisive garbage. More likely than not, Texas has killed several innocent people under Perry’s watch, while he has deliberately obstructed the effort to prevent those deaths. It is also true that the administration of the death penalty in this country, and especially in Texas, is racially discriminatory by any reasonable measure. So it is the case that applauding Rick Perry’s blase attitude is ghastly. The equivalent of a liberal audience applauding abortions, though without even the racial element. Characterizing this as “Rick Perry’s record of killing black people” is inflammatory and literally false, but if its the most bigoted thing you’ve heard on this board, you’re not reading many threads. It is more likely than not that Rick Perry has presided over the execution of innocent black men that, if they had been white, would not have been executed. That may not be his fault, but it is nothing to applaud. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/151 "2011-09-11T22:02:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Anyone who is even vaguely aware of the problems of countries like Greece understand we are in trouble. The Democratic party started Obama’s administration off by shoving a job killing health care bill through at a time when the economy was tanking. “Shoved through”, is that Republicanspeak for “passed by a Democratic Congress”? ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/152 "2011-09-11T22:06:44Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > Not to mention it doesn’t answer my origional question. Why am I a racist if I disagree with Obama and his policies? From what I’ve seen, especially on this board, is it’s just an excuse to hate. The liberal turds have little to argue about on a rational level so they result to hate-speech. It’s been like that as long as I can remember. Not saying the Repugs don’t do it too, but not nearly as much or as hateful as the Dems. And for the record, Bush’s second term was the first and ONLY time I’ve ever voted for a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/153 "2011-09-11T22:07:06Z")
Sure. So is their “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act.” \*\*Magiver \*\*won’t even rephrase a talking point. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/154 "2011-09-11T22:15:14Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > The liberal turds have little to argue about on a rational level so they result to hate-speech. It’s been like that as long as I can remember. Not saying the Repugs don’t do it too, but not nearly as much or as hateful as the Dems. You’re not shy about irony, I will give you that. If you want to call people turds, do it in the Pit. You have been warned about this before. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/155 "2011-09-11T22:17:41Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > More likely than not, Texas has killed several innocent people under Perry’s watch, while he has deliberately obstructed the effort to prevent those deaths. In fact, Perry fired the board that was on the verge of, embarrassingly to him, concluding exactly that in the case of [Cameron Todd Willingham](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham#Post-execution_attention). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/156 "2011-09-11T22:20:34Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > “Shoved through”, is that Republicanspeak for “passed by a Democratic Congress”? It’s one of them intransitive verbs: I have a Mandate, you have a democratic consensus, they’re shoving things down people’s throats. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/157 "2011-09-11T23:02:01Z")
Yep, we shoved it right into the Republican filibuster. The Repubs vote practically 100 percent against any measure the Dems offer. When they don’t have the votes they filibuster. A huge amount of Obamas appointments have been halted by Repubs holding up the votes. Many government positions including judge seats have been held up. The tactics and actions of the Repubs has been reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/158 "2011-09-11T23:02:33Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > No, I don’t think that the majority of Dems fit into any one catagory. > > /snip > > However, for the most part I try to choose my words carefully and keep it focused on the relevant points. I don’t always succeed, but I do try. And yet you’re asking \*us \*why \*those \*people call you racist. You seem to want to hold us responsible for their actions… but when it’s explained to you that you’re being (fallaciously or not) held responsible for the actions of the people you associate with, you cry foul. If you don’t think that you should be responsible for the actions of \*\*some \*\*of your compatriots, why do you insist that we should be? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/159 "2011-09-12T00:06:25Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The Tea Party came in to being because REPUBLICANS were spending too much money. There was a huge backlash of Conservatives who vocally criticized the spending. It was discussed in depth by Conservative talk show hosts years before President Obama was elected. > > So no, it’s not a propaganda lie aimed at Obama. Presidents are the defacto leader of their party when in office and while Congress does indeed write the spending bills he promoted them in their entirety. It was money down a rat-hole that was rushed through against the vocal complaints of voters who understand and live by their own budgets. Yours is exactly the kind of propaganda that I’m talking about: utterly at odds with the facts. The Tea Baggers began in 2009, not to complain about Republicans spending too much, but because the Republican Party was utterly discredited as a brand against spending, so some of them decided to call themselves Tea Baggers and then changed to the Tea Party. But not to complain about Republican spending, rather to complain about Democratic spending without the baggage of the Republican party label. It was nothing but some of the same hypocrites calling themselves by different names and saying the same things more intensely about their opponents and not applying it to themselves or any of their favorite projects. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/160 "2011-09-12T00:07:26Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > And yet you’re asking \*us \*why \*those \*people call you racist. You seem to want to hold us responsible for their actions… but when it’s explained to you that you’re being (fallaciously or not) held responsible for the actions of the people you associate with, you cry foul. > > If you don’t think that you should be responsible for the actions of \*\*some \*\*of your compatriots, why do you insist that we should be? Because hypocrisy is okay if you are a Republican. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=9)