# Why if you disagree with Obama and his policies some label you as a racist? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918 "2011-09-11T05:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/161 "2011-09-12T00:17:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Nobody was marching with signs and calling Bush a “Socialist.” A conservative, here, and I saw some. I agreed (with serious reservations, due to “what constitutes Socialism” objections, since I actually studied Political Science) with them. Your point is??? Clinton actually governed (after '94, that is. Before that, well…, not so much.) somewhat to the _right_ of Bush. Bush was never anything I would willingly call “conservative”. Bush, during his campaigns in '00 and '04. was only _marginally_ better than the Democratic alternatives (and not by much). I miss Clinton… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/162 "2011-09-12T00:40:23Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > “Shoved through”, is that Republicanspeak for “passed by a Democratic Congress”? He can’t even get the timeline right. The stimulus bill was passed in early 2009 (February, I believe) and the PPACA didn’t get passed until something like April 2010. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/163 "2011-09-12T00:44:08Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Don’t forget what happened at the Republican debate last week. A crowd of lay Republicans (in CALIFORNIA no less) spontaneously erupted into orgiastic applause when Rick Perry’s record of killing black people was brought up. > > The ONLY thing the Republican Party stands for is white heterosexual supremacy. The mere fact that you are a Republican is enough to condemn you, regardless of Obama’s virtues or lack thereof. Nothing makes your point as well as “poisoning the well”, _is_ there. Nothing at all like destroying rational argument to make your (likely non-existent) point. Because you saw that, all Republicans, or even worse, all “Conservatives”, are JUST LIKE THAT. But your side never does that… You are doing well, here, in expanding “mutual understanding”. Yeah, you lefties are rational, so you all say… I’m waiting for evidence of that contention, not actually seeing much… Not expecting it, either… How about some actual EVIDENCE of your alleged superior rationality? Lefties… The self-evidently, obviously correct, assholishly arrogant. Wankers. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/164 "2011-09-12T00:58:08Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > A conservative, here, and I saw some. I agreed (with serious reservations, due to “what constitutes Socialism” objections, since I actually studied Political Science) with them. Your point is??? My point is that teabaggers don’t really care about what they pretend to care about. They didn’t care when Bush was doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/165 "2011-09-12T01:02:11Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > My point is that teabaggers don’t really care about what they pretend to care about. They didn’t care when Bush was doing it. A lot of Tea Partiers actually don’t like Bush for that and also his stand on immigration. ---
**Author:** ![obbn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d6d6ee/32.png) [@obbn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obbn)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/166 "2011-09-12T01:15:38Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Lightnin’ And yet you’re asking us why those people call you racist. You seem to want to hold us responsible for their actions… but when it’s explained to you that you’re being (fallaciously or not) held responsible for the actions of the people you associate with, you cry foul. If you don’t think that you should be responsible for the actions of some of your compatriots, why do you insist that we should be? > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Because hypocrisy is okay if you are a Republican. Wrong, wrong and wrong. Refer to one of my previous post and the title of this thread. I am not holding anyone responsible except those that did it. What I asked for was some insight as to why those who choose to act this way do. Once again I asked why SOME did this, not why everyone does. There is no hypocrisy present, but really don’t let that stop you. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/167 "2011-09-12T01:24:17Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > My point is that teabaggers don’t really care about what they pretend to care about. They didn’t care when Bush was doing it. Nor do lefties, vis-a-vis Obama. I’m not seeing a difference here. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/168 "2011-09-12T01:49:30Z")
The only way Obama is a lefty is if your concept of the middle is somewhere just right of Calvin Coolidge. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/169 "2011-09-12T01:51:21Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > If . . . , then you are one sick puppy. Leave this sort of comment for The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/170 "2011-09-12T01:52:42Z")
N/m. Saw the moderation. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/171 "2011-09-12T01:58:07Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > “Shoved through”, is that Republicanspeak for “passed by a Democratic Congress”? Voted before anybody could actually read the bills. So yes, shoved through. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/172 "2011-09-12T02:02:59Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > A lot of Tea Partiers actually don’t like Bush for that and also his stand on immigration. They say that now, but they weren’t making Joker signs when he was in office. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/173 "2011-09-12T02:04:08Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Nor do lefties, vis-a-vis Obama. I’m not seeing a difference here. You didn’t see lefties calling Bush a socialist, so this is a pretty pathetic attempt at equivalency. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/174 "2011-09-12T02:09:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Voted before anybody could actually read the bills. So yes, shoved through. Not anybody? 😃 Can you \*really \*not even paraphrase a Fox talking point? The bill has fewer words than Palin’s "auto"biography. Over the course of the year and a half your guys were obstructing something the people had elected the Democrats to do, anybody who actually wanted to could have found the time to actually look at it instead of whining and kicking. **CitizenPained** , still waiting. Not expecting, but waiting nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/175 "2011-09-12T02:18:45Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > N/m. Saw the moderation. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You didn’t see lefties calling Bush a socialist, so this is a pretty pathetic attempt at equivalency. As I said in my “reason for edit”. I’m done. Argue with yourself. Or your strawman of my position. I don’t care. As I said, I’m done. I’m not going to be banned over this question. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/176 "2011-09-12T02:21:55Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They say that now, but they weren’t making Joker signs when he was in office. So, this is kind of off-topic, but here’s something I’ve been wondering. Why is it that when Bush was portrayed as a monkey, it was political satire, but when Obama is portrayed as a monkey, it’s racism? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/177 "2011-09-12T02:27:39Z")
Because, unlike Bush, Obama doesn’t look or grin like a chimp. So, there have to be other reasons at play, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/178 "2011-09-12T02:36:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not anybody? 😃 Can you \*really \*not even paraphrase a Fox talking point? Can’t even start a sentence without invoking a Democratic talking point about Fox. Congrats. Since this is Great Debates I’ll just ask for a list of Representatives who read the 1900 page health care bill. While you’re compiling that mythical list I’ll just quote Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s own words: “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it”. It was shoved through before people could read it and that included the public as well as the people voting on it. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/179 "2011-09-12T02:38:32Z")
**ElvisL1ves** , you’ll be waiting for awhile. > [@CitizenPained](#): > > You want direct proof that the email came from a HC staffer or you want reports that it did? Because the latter is [easy](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2819634&page=1) to find. And I got the same damned emails and saw the same speculations from HC supporters and heard it muttered about at campaign events _by staff_. Perhaps I should’ve said “volunteers” (believe you me, they can be quite hard to distinguish from staff at times) [who led the drive.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2007/dec/20/chain-email-gets-obama-religion-wrong/) > > I was a volunteer/intern in the 2004 Dean election and everyone thought I was a paid staff. I had access to the candidate, keys to the office, my own desk, you name it. But of course the HC campaign wouldn’t admit it had staff support. > > RE: Madrassa: I was perfectly fine with the bogus accusation at that point as I was so fed up with the DNC’s sexist bullshit. Politics is brutal. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918/180 "2011-09-12T03:18:55Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Can’t even start a sentence without invoking a Democratic talking point about Fox. Congrats. Since this is Great Debates I’ll just ask for a list of Representatives who read the 1900 page health care bill. While you’re compiling that mythical list I’ll just quote Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s own words: “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it”. > > It was shoved through before people could read it and that included the public as well as the people voting on it. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You can’t even talk about it without reciting the FOX liturgy. They were working on the bill for a year. Think really hard about this. If you are writing a 300 page novel and you change a scene on page 226 so that the character is wearing a white t-shirt instead of a black one, does that mean you haven’t read the novel? Honestly, your complaint shows you have little understanding of how laws are made. It’s just a nonsense objection. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-if-you-disagree-with-obama-and-his-policies-some-label-you-as-a-racist/595918.md?page=10)