# Why is a lack of Disney more worrisome than a lack of God? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 5, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722 "2003-01-05T04:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/41 "2003-01-05T17:21:25Z")
[Moderator Hat: ON] JaxBeachBoy said: > [@](#): > > NO ONE GIVES A DAMN IF YOUR KID SEES BAMBI. > WE LAUGHED AT YOU > GET OVER IT > QUIT MAKING NEW THREADS, THIS SITE IS SLOW AND UNSTABLE ENOUGH AS IT IS WITHOUT THIS NONSENSE. Hmmm. Last time I checked, you weren’t a moderator. Therefore, your message is totally out of order. It is not up to you to tell people what they can or cannot post. It **is** , however, up to me. And I’m telling you now – don’t post crap like this ever again. * * * David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator [Moderator Hat: OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/42 "2003-01-05T17:22:56Z")
I want the OP’s child to grow up to be an animator. …of X-Rated animé. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/43 "2003-01-05T17:26:37Z")
**Bryan Ekers** , I’d be quite happy with that, as long as it was good anime. We do have several issues of XXXenophile around here somewhere. And **lee** seems to have a fondness for erotic art, including having made some herself from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/44 "2003-01-05T17:28:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*I want the OP’s child to grow up to be an animator. > > …of X-Rated animé. \*\* That would be wonderful. I collect erotic art, my own, others, I even commissioned a tryptch of dicks from Chris Baldwin. As long as the work was not just hack, I would be quite proud, heck even if it were hack, I would probably be quite proud. What a happy thought. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/45 "2003-01-05T17:33:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lee \* > \*\*That would be wonderful. I collect erotic art, my own, others, I even commissioned a tryptch of dicks from Chris Baldwin. As long as the work was not just hack, I would be quite proud, heck even if it were hack, I would probably be quite proud. What a happy thought. \*\* Ah, but what if it’s derivative, crude animé? May your child be an underpaid tweener on the 2031 made-for-the-losers-who-still-have-dialup-internet production of _Jesse James Meets Sailor Moon’s Daughter_. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/46 "2003-01-05T17:37:26Z")
But what if it’s Disney X-Rated anime? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/47 "2003-01-05T17:38:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*But what if it’s Disney X-Rated anime? 🙂 \*\* Then the terrorists will have won. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/48 "2003-01-05T17:47:19Z")
If Disney starts making X-rated anime, I’ll reevaluate my feelings about their animation products. And, no, I don’t consider the “subliminals” that purportedly exist in some of the newer products to count. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/49 "2003-01-05T17:47:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > **so that they are not denied the contact with the archetypal images of the original _märchen_,** \ Since it’s a German noun, it has to be spelled _Märchen_, with a capital M. \ ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/50 "2003-01-05T18:03:02Z")
I think people have been too hard on **lee**. I think a total ban on Disney is pretty weird, but heck, it ain’t gonna hurt the kid. I doubt it’ll do the kid much good either, and **lee** may discover that the whole thing is more trouble than it’s worth, but there’s no point in criticizing her for a harmless child-rearing decision. If, as many other parents believe, she’ll change her mind when she’s more experienced as a parent then she’ll change her mind when she’s more experienced as a parent – and not before. And if she never does change her mind on this issue then that’s still no great loss to the kid. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/51 "2003-01-05T19:11:31Z")
**tom~** , you forgot _Lilo & Stitch_ as an example of true art coming from **Disney**. That movie alone makes Disney a worthwhile entity. ---
**Author:** ![SC\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@SC\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SC_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/52 "2003-01-05T19:30:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mblackwell \* > **All of the “if you watch this cartoon in slow motion you can see naughty things” hoopla turned out to be false.** _AHEM_ All but one. The 1999 video release of [The Rescuers](http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm) was recalled by Disney one day after it hit the retail shelves, due to an “objectionable background image”. (Of course, working at Blockbuster at the time, I managed to snag a copy of it myself on the Wednesday it was recalled, before we removed it from the store inventory and sent it back to Disney.) ---
**Author:** ![aramis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@aramis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aramis)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/53 "2003-01-05T19:50:58Z")
reprise said > [@](#): > > …imagine a childhood without Shrek and Monsters Inc. > > A childhood without A Bug’s Life. Gee, that sounds a lot like my childhood – and that of everybody else who turned 21 before about 1995. We all turned out mostly okay, and I expect **lee** ’s kids will too. Come on people, she’s made a decision on how her children should be raised based on an ethical judgment, specifically that this company has done things she disapproves of. While the judgment may be too too narrow – she singles out Disney when virtually every large company has ethical shortcomings – it’s an attempt to make a difference and I support her in it. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/54 "2003-01-05T20:05:12Z")
**aramis** , we have other companies who we disapprove of (Wal-Mart, Red Lobster, Cracker Barrel, to name a few), and those companies will also not be a part of our child’s life to the extent that we can arrange it. (We won’t refuse gifts for our child that were bought at Wal-Mart, but we do encourage our friends not to shop there.) ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/55 "2003-01-05T20:26:15Z")
Cracker Barrel, while I avoid on the principle of good taste, has actually rescinded their anti-gay policy and has added [sexual orientation to their non-discrimination policy](http://www.hrc.org/newsreleases/2002/021204crabar.asp). ---
**Author:** ![SC\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@SC\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SC_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/56 "2003-01-05T20:27:39Z")
**KellyM** Do you also avoid Red Lobster’s sister restaruants, such as Olive Garden? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/57 "2003-01-05T20:27:50Z")
Just out of curiosity, does this ban extend to Touchstone productions and the ABC television network? ---
**Author:** ![SC\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@SC\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SC_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/58 "2003-01-05T20:29:24Z")
And for that matter, ESPN? ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/59 "2003-01-05T20:44:10Z")
**SC\_Wolf** , we do boycott all the restaurants in Red Lobster’s family. As to Cracker Barrel, I’m not yet convinced that the policy is taken seriously, although the adoption of it is a positive thing and may yet earn them a reconsideration. Our Disney ban does not, as of yet, apply to Touchstone, ABC, or ESPN, as those elements of the Disney empire do not appear to reflect the values that we find offensive. Neither ABC nor ESPN gets much time in our house, but this is because ABC has not produced anything that we have found particularly appealing of late, and none of us watches much in the way of sports television. (We remain annoyed, however, at ABC/Disney cancelling Reboot, despite it being the number 1 Saturday morning program at the time, in order to make room for the rather schlocky and unacceptable One Saturday Morning, which is nothing more than a vehicle for rewarmed Disney hash.) If we see signs that Disney is exerting significant editorial or content control over the other aspects of their operational holdings such that the content there is unacceptable, we will consider extending the ban to cover those as well. We do support the Disney’s corporation longstanding support for human rights of their employees; Disney has long been a leader in adopting domestic partnership benefits and in GLBT nondiscrimination policies. This alone is not enough to make us want to patronize them, but it is enough to keep us from blanketly boycotting them too. Contrast Wal-Mart, which as far as I can tell has no redeeming virtues. It is remotely possible that Disney animated unit will get a new manager who will change the values and direction of their productions, and if this happen we will reconsider our decision. But we’re not banking on it. And I’m still quite annoyed at what they did to poor Pooh. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722/60 "2003-01-05T20:55:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KellyM \* > \*\ ***stpauler** , I’m not interested in debating our decision regarding Disney. That’s not the point here. \*\* Not to be snotty but… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KellyM \* > \*\* > Our Disney ban does not, as of yet, apply to Touchstone, ABC, or ESPN, as those elements of the Disney empire do not appear to reflect the values that we find offensive. Neither ABC nor ESPN gets much time in our house, but this is because ABC has not produced anything that we have found particularly appealing of late, and none of us watches much in the way of sports television. (We remain annoyed, however, at ABC/Disney cancelling Reboot, despite it being the number 1 Saturday morning program at the time, in order to make room for the rather schlocky and unacceptable One Saturday Morning, which is nothing more than a vehicle for rewarmed Disney hash.) If we see signs that Disney is exerting significant editorial or content control over the other aspects of their operational holdings such that the content there is unacceptable, we will consider extending the ban to cover those as well. > > We do support the Disney’s corporation longstanding support for human rights of their employees; Disney has long been a leader in adopting domestic partnership benefits and in GLBT nondiscrimination policies. This alone is not enough to make us want to patronize them, but it is enough to keep us from blanketly boycotting them too. Contrast Wal-Mart, which as far as I can tell has no redeeming virtues. > > It is remotely possible that Disney animated unit will get a new manager who will change the values and direction of their productions, and if this happen we will reconsider our decision. But we’re not banking on it. And I’m still quite annoyed at what they did to poor Pooh. \*\* I reckon ya changed your mind and found this info to be relevant. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-a-lack-of-disney-more-worrisome-than-a-lack-of-god/146722.md?page=4)