Why is Aquaman no longer a first-rate hero?

Aquaman is gay? Wow, I had no idea! I knew he was married and I think he had at least one kid, so the news that he’s homosexual is really amazing!

I mean, that is what you meant, right? That Aquaman is non-heterosexual? Because I’m sure you wouldn’t come to these boards and spew pig-ignorance like using the word “gay” to mean “stupid,” right?

See? I said Aquaman fans were touchy. And I’d think Aquaman should have a paternity test on that kid who claims to be his son, so to found out who the real father is, because no doubt Aquaman is still a virgin. Aquaman doesn’t know how babies are made, he just assumes they’re delivered by a clown fish.

FTR, he has two children (by two different women). One of whom was killed in infancy, the other one he didn’t know until the kid was a teenager, and he’s now estranged from him. Aquman’s always been a dark book. Of course, Aquaman’s sexuality (and he sure as hell gets more tail than Batman or Superman ever did, that’s for sure, in fact, outside of Green Arrow, I’m having trouble thinking of another DC male that’s scored as often) is wholly unrelated to his popularity, and it would be extremely foolish to suggest otherwise.

I agree that Aquaman works better as a modern fantasy character, slightly separated from his peers in the DCU. The current book, where Aquaman is the protector of a sunken San Diego, makes a pretty good attempt to bridge the gap, IMHO.

The hell he is. The Dalai Lama can call himself the ruler of Tibet but that doesn’t make it so with the Chinese in control. Aquman doesn’t rule the ocean. No fish are going to take Aquaman’s rule seriously.

Seanbaby says it best:

“And are fish really worth talking to?..I’m going to say what we already know: we’re not going to learn shit from animals. …what would anyone learn from fish? “Sunken toy castle is adventure! Big fish equal danger!” Fish don’t know anything. It was probably a damn fish that talked Aquaman into getting that belt buckle. Unless he’s been shopping with truck drivers.”

Besides, the US Navy coule easily kick Aquman’s ass if he tried to hold our supply of shrimp hostage or something. As could any other navy, all the way down to the the navies of any landlocked nation.

Menocchio if by more tail you mean cod fish tail, then you’re correct. The idea of Aquman being anything other that a loser who beds flounders are lies made up by the Aquaman fan community to make themselves feel better.

No, see, the proper response upon having one’s fuckwittedness pointed out to one is to apologize for it. Not to continue behaving like a fuckwit.

I’d’ve thought the proper response to a post that one perceived as containing hateful language was to report it instead of insulting the guy; an action only acceptable inside the Pit, which this isn’t.

Silly me.

It is a well known fact that most Aquaman related thread turn to debates on hate speech in the first 25 posts… :smack:

Thank you for your input, Junior Mod.

Well, I wouldn’t normally bother to state the obvious, but you seem in critical need of it today.

This is the first Aquaman thread I can remember reading, but it would appear you’re correct.

Perhaps better than “Why is Aquaman no longer a first-rate hero?” the thread should be "What is it about Aquaman that engenders so much emotion among fans?

I don’t care that much about Aquaman one way or the other. I was never a big DC reader. But man, this thread got snippy pretty quick.

Errr, weren’t GL and Flash on the Superfriends? Aren’t they in the big leagues now? I’m now sure about GL, but Flash is pretty recognizable in popular culture. Heck, he just made a cameo in a shoe commerical.

Flash certainly was. I remember one episode of him and Supes racing to a destination, with a shot of Supes flying and a little red dot (representing the Flash) zipping over the ocean.

Some folks are probably just pissed at the notion of debunking the “Aquaman is a loser” meme because it’d mean an end of one of their favorite homophobic jokes. :rolleyes:

In the depth charts of DC Superhero recognition factor, here’s how I’d rank them:

  1. Superman (universal)
  2. Batman (universal)
  3. Robin (universal)
  4. Wonder Woman (near universal, if not completly)
  5. Flash (Moderately well-known)
  6. Plastic Man (the drop is substantial here)
  7. Aquaman (who apparently is well known in SanFran… :rolleyes: )
  8. Capt. Marvel (if you take into account “Shazam” as a correct answer)
  9. Green Lantern (mentioned in a Seinfeld episode, but one of the characters had never heard of him.)
  10. Wonder Twins (“Wonder Twin powers, ACTIVATE!”)

According to this site, Green Lantern was a member.

And now that I think about it, I recall at least one episode where Green Arrow appeared (all of the SuperFriends had been shrunken down by a villian) and another where Plasticman appeared (an inventor had created a machine to free everyone from the dull work of everyday life a mouse had gotten into the machine and fouled it up, so Plas had to reach into the machine and get him out).

Green Lantern was as lamified by Superfriends as everyone else.

There’s one episode where they need to get into the Fortress of Solitude, so GL uses his ring to make a bridge for…someone else…I can’t remember who…to carry the key across, rather than picking it up himself.

(Green Lantern was well known enough to make it unto a 1960s pop song (Sunshine Superman), BTW.)

They (well, Barry Allen and Hal Jordan) showed up for the occasional cameo.

One factor to consider about Aquaman is that the character has been around a long time and essentially unchanged. His first appearance was in More Fun Comics #73 (1941) and his name a fairly accurate descriptor of his schtick, which isn’t quite true of Green Lantern (ask someone who’d never heard of the character to guess what his powers might be, based on the name alone). The decision to write Aquaman into The Superfriends was no doubt influenced by his familiarity as a TV cartoon character from his own series a few years before. His role in the related comic-book series was minor to the point of irrelevant, unless the story was contrived to involve underwater adventure.

I was actually rather pleased by his turn as a regal, rather cold-hearted outsider on the Justice League cartoons (though still put off by the recurrent lameness of Superman, who should’ve been able to clobber the Atlantis navy single-handed - but then if every story ran like this, it’d be an eight-minute show). It worked very well. I never thought of the character as lame or “gay”, but he was in a lot of rather lame stories until somebody realized that he’s Aquaman, dammit, and works best in his own environment.

I’ve seen Green Lantern’s incantation, “In brightest day, in blackest night,
no evil shall escape my sight…” show up on Jeopardy, which makes me thinks he’s relatively well known.

That was an episode of The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians in 1985. This show, along with Super Friends: The Legendary Super Powers Show in 1984, acted as a better-quality follow-up to the Superfriends toons of the seventies. Darkseid (and Kalibak and Desaad) became recurring villains and Green Lantern, Firestorm and Cyborg were added to the roster, while the Wondertwins were thankfully dropped. The episode you describe is The Death of Superman.He got betterWhen the surviving heroes try to enter the Fortress of Solitude, GL provides the bridge and Cyborg and Wonder Woman haul the key.