How did I get dragged into this!?
Okay, perhaps my run-ons do produce certain problems when I forget what I was talking about at the start…
As to why bad grammar is annoying, why is any violation of a social convention annoying to those holding it?
can’t post to this thread anymore, i’ve been WOOSHED.
ROFL!
i have noticed on the internet that there are people who’s egos are so weak they are affected by ego attacks on the net. we are represented by nothing but handles here. you could meet me tomorrow and not have the slightest clue i was dal_timgar. these psychologcal games are irrelevant. all that matters are the IDEAS relating to the subject.
the people that demand conformity will conform, there is no power of enforcement over the internet. that is its advantage. why try to drag the nonsense that works in real-space here. someone once said to about me on this site “i love bashing this guy.” now i know my BO is so bad i can be smelled over the internet. ROFL!
on the internet the people in million dollar mansions have the same social status as the people in the roach infested apartments. only the minds show here. it’s a fun place for mind wars. but do you learn anything that does you some good in real-space? that’s what i’m about.
Dal Timgar
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Certainly. That was intended to be the gist of the thread. I’m a bit puzzled over it myself. Maybe it means that grammar freaks like me are a touch neurotic. There’s a logical reason to dislike your lack of capitalization; it makes it more difficult to read your posts. That’s not irritating, it’s frustrating, particularly in light of your refusal to admit that it’s a problem. However, all sorts bad grammar gets under my skin, even when it doesn’t really impede my ability to understand what people are saying. And that’s what I was asking why people feel this way.
By the way, name-calling (anal-retentive, pseudo-intellectual, etc.) doesn’t much further the discussion.
hazel-rah, I actually enjoy varying regional dialects. A regionalism of my youth, “youse guys,” doesn’t trouble me in the least, nor do “y’all” or “ougth’n” or even “aks.” What irritates me (irrationally, as I’ve fully admitted many times) is misuse of vocabulary, misplaced punctuation marks, and the like. This may in some cases be due to differences in dialects, but experience demonstrates that mostly it’s due to people who speak 'Merican English, just like me–but they are ignorant of the rules of common usage.
And I fully realize that I live in a great big ol’ glass house, since my spelling is pretty bad.
h: You’ve got it backwards. The lack of controversy in the grammar of these dead languages comes from the fact that there aren’t any living speakers causing it to evolve and change. Of course your example texts adhere strictly to the rules… they are what the rules were derived from, and they are the only things the rules are needed to read!
Um, where did you get the idea that “dead”, i.e. literary or learned, languages don’t evolve and change, even when they cease to have “living speakers”? Medieval Latin is recognizably different from the language of the heyday of the Roman Empire (which, moreover, was a spoken language through much of that time), just as Sanskrit of the late Classical period is from early Classical Sanskrit (ditto), or as early written Arabic is from modern “Classical” Arabic (ditto), but they are still linguistically unified. In the same time period, however, English evolved so much even in its written form that documents from some periods are unintelligible even to those who can read the English of another period.
Certainly, spoken languages always evolve much more rapidly than “dead” ones. But strict maintenance of grammatical rules always does exert some retarding force on the pace of linguistic change. And yes, there are ways in which that can be extremely useful, even if those of us who appreciate it have to put up with not getting invited to your parties.