# Why is Casablanca considered a great film? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2006, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679 "2006-09-29T23:55:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/21 "2006-09-30T03:03:07Z")
It’s truly a great film on all levels and, as everyone has said, there are few movies with so much great dialog. “I came to Casablanca for the waters.” “Waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.” “I was misinformed.” And, of course, “I’m shocked . . . shocked to learn that gambling is going on here.” Forget the political issues of the film – they’re interesting, but only a small part of it. **Casablanca** is unabashedly romantic – both in depicting love (Rick for Ilsa; Ilsa for Victor), but in depicting friendship (Rick and Renault), patriotism, good vs. evil, and everything else. It may be the greatest romantic film ever, despite its patina of cynicism. It still speaks for anyone who has the slightest bit of idealism or romance in their soul. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/22 "2006-09-30T03:08:20Z")
Given that this is one of my favourite films, I’m shocked… _shocked_ that I misspelled **Ilsa** every time in my post! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/23 "2006-09-30T03:11:35Z")
**Sonia** , my dear, I’m with you. _Casablanca_’s just kind of meh to me. I didn’t find the love story compelling: I wanted to bash Ilsa over the head, and then I wanted to bash Rick over the head for being such a silly cow over Ilsa. There are some good lines, and some of the actors were compelling, but overall, it’s just a pretty average film to me. You should try _The Third Man_, though: a better conflict, more compelling characters, extraordinary writing and acting, and thoroughly enjoyable. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > It may be the greatest romantic film ever, despite its patina of cynicism. It still speaks for anyone who has the slightest bit of idealism or romance in their soul. Well, that explains why I didn’t like it then. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/24 "2006-09-30T03:25:43Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] And, of course, “I’m shocked . . . shocked to learn that gambling is going on here.” [/QUOTE] “Your winnings, Sir.” [QUOTE=RealityChuck] **Casablanca** is unabashedly romantic – patriotism, good vs. evil, and everything else. [/QUOTE] Aw Hell, Bogie’s just tough. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/25 "2006-09-30T03:52:09Z")
The writing, the acting, the filmmaking, the usual stuff. And because it happens to be a great film. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/26 "2006-09-30T04:06:04Z")
One other major aspect of the film was its timing; it was made in the summer of 1942. At that time, the Nazis were not some historical movie cliche like the Apaches; there was still a good chance that they might win the war. Many filmmakers of the era were basing the movies on past victories to boost up public morale. _Casablanca_ was talking about the current war that was still being fought at the time people were watching it. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/27 "2006-09-30T04:15:08Z")
People here have mentioned the both the tight plotting and that it was written on the fly–the day’s script was barely written before shooting started. These are usually mutually caontradictory yet here they produced magic. Nothing was thought through too much and it gives the movie an immediacy that is almost like real life, except nobody is that clever in real life. Except, apparently, the writers. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/28 "2006-09-30T04:27:49Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] On the one hand, I am of the mind that if Casablanca were made today by one of the big studios, there is no way that the ending would have been anything other than Rick and Ilsa together. Gotta have the happy “feed good” ending you know. On the other hand, I am of the mind that if Casablanca were made today as an indie movie, well probably Renault would have gone on his merry way, Victor would have been killed by Rick in a gun fight, and Rick would then have decided he didn’t really want to be bothered with Ilsa after all. [/QUOTE] With all the remakes of old movies today(which make me vomit), let’s hope this one never gets remade. They could only f\*\*\* it up. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/29 "2006-09-30T04:34:12Z")
They did. As a TV series. With David Soul as Rick. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/30 "2006-09-30T04:39:56Z")
On the bright side, the movies had a noble before Lord and Lady Haden-Guest. Paul Henreid was really Paul Georg Julius Hernreid Ritter Von Wassel-Waldingau. A lord outranks a mere ritter, and England still exists, unlike the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but either outranks us. ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/31 "2006-09-30T04:40:04Z")
They also remade it as a big-budget Robert Redford film and a Pamela Anderson exploitation movie. Neither of them has a good rep, either. (In case you’re wondering: _Havana_ and _Barb Wire_.) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/32 "2006-09-30T04:42:44Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] They did. As a TV series. With David Soul as Rick. [/QUOTE] There was also the terrible near-future SF movie [Barb Wire](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115624/), whose plot was lifted wholesale from Casablanca, only dumbed down and bloodied up. It had, I shit you not, Pam Anderson in the “Rick” role. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/33 "2006-09-30T04:46:57Z")
And then there was “Barb Wire” with Pamela Anderson after escaping Casablanca for Denmark. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/34 "2006-09-30T04:47:36Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.] Leaving behind the wonderful lines, remember the _Zeitgeist_. ‘It’s December, 1941 in Casablanca. What time is it in New York?’ ‘My watch stopped.’ (Wonderful lines that I couldn’t leave behind for this post.) [/QUOTE] So good, in fact, that they deserve saying again. **Johnny** I have to say, that’s a great post. I think you’ve managed to capture most of the essence of _Casablanca_. Sure, it’s a movie and it tells a story. But it is difficult to slot _Casablanca_ into a specific genre, as we are so used to doing nowadays. We expect action films to have lots of special effects, even though the plot may lag in spots because it is, after all, an action film and needs, say, explosions. Romantic films have a love story of some kind, even though the plot lags when the couple is not in each other’s arms. Drama films, thrillers, horror films–yep, they’re dramatic, thrilling, and scary respectively–even though the plot lags when events necessary to drive the plot are not dramatic, thrilling, and scary. Now, consider _Casablanca_. Here’s a drama (can Victor escape Casablanca?), with a romantic story (will Ilsa leave Victor for Rick?), comedic in spots (“I’m shocked to find gambling here!” “Your winnings, sir.”), but with a thriller aspect (“This cafe is closed by order of the Reich”–and what will those Nazis do next?). A number of subplots contribute to the story: “play 23 black…play 23 black again,” and there are various characters make it more human (Karl, Sasha, Yvonne, and the German couple who are trying to learn English). It’s a buddy pic (Sam and Rick, Louis and Rick), and it’s a business pic (selling Rick’s to the owner of the Blue Parrot). In short, _Casablanca_ is a little bit of everything in one picture. It’s not one genre; it’s a number of them. As such, it appeals to a wide audience, and obviously, has done so over the last 64 years. Just my opinion, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/35 "2006-09-30T04:48:21Z")
AS RICK AFTER! (wishing for and edit option for those of us here long enough to be trusted not to abuse it, except I’d be the first one to abuse it) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/36 "2006-09-30T04:51:43Z")
[QUOTE=lawoot] Actually more a French _slut_, but still… (as an aside, I always thought that [Madeleine LeBeau (Yvonne)](http://www.poeforward.com/mrperfumery/deadgirls/future/pool/1920/lebeau/lebeau.htm) is the hottest woman in the movie) [/QUOTE] You are thinking of [Joy Page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Page). She is the hottest woman\* in this film. \*Only 17 years old when she appeared in the film. Does that make me sick? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/37 "2006-09-30T04:53:13Z")
HOWEVER, what’s with the soft focus on Bergman? She was 26, at the height of her beauty (for thems of us who can’t resist a slightly imperfect (in all the best ways) woman)? You can barely make out her quivering lip and she did the best quivering lip in the biz. ---
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[QUOTE=lawoot] Actually more a French _slut_, but still… [/QUOTE] Only thing better than a French Slut is an Italian Car. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/39 "2006-09-30T05:02:27Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] She was 26, at the height of her beauty (for thems of us who can’t resist a slightly imperfect (in all the best ways) woman)? [/QUOTE] _Im_perfect? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more perfect face. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2006, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679/40 "2006-09-30T05:07:20Z")
Big classic movie fan- I wouldn’t have it in my top 100. I think its good but not great- There at least a dozen Bogart movies I prefer to it. But then again, war based love stories are not my cuppa tea, I am more into noirs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-casablanca-considered-a-great-film/374679.md?page=3)