# Why is conservative media obsessed with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906 "2018-11-21T17:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/281 "2018-11-29T03:44:20Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > One of the best things a potential politician could learn while being a bartender is how to converse with people of wildly different viewpoints in a congenial manner. I’m not convinced this is something AOC learned in her tenure on that side of the oak. Wow, now you’re even stooping to calling her a bad bartender, even tho you have no idea if the assertion you made is even remotely accurate. In other words, you just slung a baseless insult at Miss O-C. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/282 "2018-11-29T03:45:20Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > You’re right, I should have said “hilariously ill-informed statements and continual missteps.” So here’s my amended argument: > > “She keeps saying hilariously ill-informed things and making continual missteps, so of course she’s continually catapulted into the public eye.” > > I had forgotten how extremely precise and all-inclusive one needs to be in order to avoid having one’s argument picked apart on semantics. As I’ve said already: NO; you don’t get to move the goalposts. And despite your repeated posts in this thread, you’ve failed to yet list 10 “hilariously ill-informed statements” that Miss O-C uttered. I’m not sure why that is proving difficult for you, since, according to you, she “keeps saying” them. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/283 "2018-11-29T03:46:41Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > As I’ve said already: NO; you don’t get to move the goalposts. “Those examples don’t count because they’re not ill-informed statements, they’re missteps” sounds like semantics to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/284 "2018-11-29T03:48:53Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > “Those examples don’t count because they’re not ill-informed statements, they’re missteps” sounds like semantics to me. And it sounds to me like you’ve been talking out of your ass because you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Dacien](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dacien/32/5663_2.png) [@Dacien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dacien)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/285 "2018-11-29T03:50:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And it sounds to me like you’ve been talking out of your ass because you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Prove me wrong. Alright, Bo, it’s been nice. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/286 "2018-11-29T04:05:24Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > Alright, Bo, it’s been nice. No, it hasn’t. It’s been a beatdown of your posts for over a page now because you posted stupid shit you can’t back up. And now you’re running away, not even bothering to take the time to admit your errors or biases, a factor that everyone here will remember when conversing with you in the future. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/287 "2018-11-29T06:08:57Z")
@ **CarnalK** — What’s with the hatred against AOC? I’ve not Googled you; are you just another Trumpista? Did she serve you a watered-down drink once? Have you never seen a politician misspeak before? Are you afraid of successful women? Your opinion about AOC holds no interest — _we want to understand you_. The right-wing propaganda machine is so powerful now, that even centrists and D voters have normalized some of the fake news and, as here, we watch them parrot right-wing talking points. Sad. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Sounds to me like they were supporting her. I hope he didn’t pick it up from me (am I contagious?), but **Mr. eschereal** now seems to be posting sarcasm without emoticons or {s,/s} tags. _Don’t blame us please._ We watch in dismay as a herd obstinately follows the right-wing liars. In exasperation we resort to sarcasm and laughter. If **Mr. eschereal** ’s post were a sincere anti-AOC stab, it would have featured innuendo rather than citations; and he would have worked in a dig to remind us that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was a _bartender_. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/288 "2018-11-29T12:12:27Z")
Let’s just keep the personal comments about other posters inside our heads, shall we? That goes for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/289 "2018-11-29T12:23:33Z")
I haven’t followed the bickering here but having opened up the last page and seen myself quoted and responded to it I do want to point out the context was in response to a cite of [this](https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/397244-ocasio-cortez-floating-progressive-sub-caucus): > [@](#): > > Though there is a 78-member Congressional Progressive Caucus, Ocasio-Cortez said it does not frequently vote as a unit. She said a smaller progressive bloc, made up of 10-30 members, could “generate real power” if it operated together. > > "If you can even carve out a caucus of 10, 30 people, it does not take a lot, if you operate as a bloc vote, to really make strong demands on things,” she said. … > > … Ocasio-Cortez, a democratic socialist, told the Jacobin that a progressive sub-caucus could be powerful in a Congress with a slim Democratic majority. So whatever “super accommodating” is supposed to mean applied to me, my “concern” that she might have the expectation that she can lead a group of 10 to 30 of the extant progressive caucus to function as a cohesive bloc in order to exert the power “to really make strong demands on things” was based merely on what she exactly said. And I’ll stand by my guess that others won’t follow her as readily as she expects them to and my thought that a Tea Party of the Left would not be a good thing. She’s an incoming young Congresscritter with _lots_ of ambition and impatient for “change” thrown into the highest realms of media hype very quickly. She’s fumbled under those intense lights a few times which is no big deal and she may have let the attention let herself get a bit full of herself. I’m still thinking she has potential to be an actual leader and force given some time to learn and grow. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/290 "2018-11-29T13:56:55Z")
Sorry, it was a poorly chosen phrase. By “accommodating” I was just contrasting you with dalej42, you’re just more “big tent” and not such a Sanders hater. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/291 "2018-11-29T14:10:04Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I haven’t followed the bickering here but having opened up the last page and seen myself quoted and responded to it I do want to point out the context was in response to a cite of [this](https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/397244-ocasio-cortez-floating-progressive-sub-caucus): > So whatever “super accommodating” is supposed to mean applied to me, my “concern” that she might have the expectation that she can lead a group of 10 to 30 of the extant progressive caucus to function as a cohesive bloc in order to exert the power “to really make strong demands on things” was based merely on what she exactly said. > > And I’ll stand by my guess that others won’t follow her as readily as she expects them to and my thought that a Tea Party of the Left would not be a good thing. > > She’s an incoming young Congresscritter with _lots_ of ambition and impatient for “change” thrown into the highest realms of media hype very quickly. She’s fumbled under those intense lights a few times which is no big deal and she may have let the attention let herself get a bit full of herself. I’m still thinking she has potential to be an actual leader and force given some time to learn and grow. Where, in the article you cited, does it say she wants to lead? She wants there to be a small progressive caucus, certainly, and it’s not out of the question she might want to lead it (although Congress doesn’t tend to work that way) but that’s not “what she exactly said”. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/292 "2018-11-29T14:23:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > @ **CarnalK** — What’s with the hatred against AOC? I’ve not Googled you; are you just another Trumpista? Maybe you should be more concerned that you seem to take the mildest of criticism as hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/293 "2018-11-29T16:02:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > She founded a publishing firm? > > Was she on full scholarship or something, btw? Tuition at Boston University is like $60-70k. This post cracks me up! I love what it reveals! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/294 "2018-11-29T16:10:08Z")
What does it reveal? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/295 "2018-11-29T16:49:53Z")
That if she had a business, she didn’t build that. > [@](#): > > AOC is a self described democratic socialist. They are distinctly NOT socialists. Sure they are. > [@](#): > > Achieving this diversity and opportunity necessitates a fundamental restructuring of our socioeconomic order. While the freedoms that exist under democratic capitalism are gains of popular struggle to be cherished, democratic socialists argue that the values of liberal democracy can only be fulfilled when the economy as well as the government is democratically controlled. [Cite.](https://www.dsausa.org/strategy/toward_freedom/) Even AOC says she wants central planning of energy, mass transit, and housing. Which is a good big chunk of the economy. > [@CarnalK](#): > > One of the best things a potential politician could learn while being a bartender is how to converse with people of wildly different viewpoints in a congenial manner. I’m not convinced this is something AOC learned in her tenure on that side of the oak. She is used to people seeing her thru beer goggles. Now, not so much. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/296 "2018-11-29T16:50:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I hope he didn’t pick it up from me … That you should think yourself worth emulating, 'tis to chortle. Wait, was that sarcasm? Let me look it up … ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/297 "2018-11-29T16:53:41Z")
Post #288 - look it up. And knock it off. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/298 "2018-11-29T17:07:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Sure they are. > [Cite.](https://www.dsausa.org/strategy/toward_freedom/) No, they’re not. [CITE](https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/) Are there some similarities? Sure. But then there are similarities between a dog and a cat. Doesn’t make them the same thing though. > [@](#): > > Even AOC says she wants central planning of energy, mass transit, and housing. Which is a good big chunk of the economy. She is used to people seeing her thru beer goggles. Now, not so much. Err…energy is already a regulated monopoly most places in the US. Certainly government if neck deep in energy policy in the US. Not sure what you think will change. Mass transit is nearly always government run so…yeah. Amtrak is government run. That leaves you planes and long-haul buses. Does she want the government to own those too? Housing…need to be more specific what it is she wants to do. Does she want the government to own all houses in the US? I am guessing no but I do not know. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/299 "2018-11-29T17:11:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > She is used to people seeing her thru beer goggles. Now, not so much. Hey look, another post trying to denigrate Miss O-C because of her previous occupation! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906/300 "2018-11-29T17:23:05Z")
You guys are lucky Bone got here first. I’d have warned the both of you. Now stop it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-conservative-media-obsessed-with-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/824906.md?page=16)