# Why is curlcoat allowed to troll on here? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025 "2009-09-21T23:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/41 "2009-09-22T04:49:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m personally for punishing people who act like trolls, even if they technically aren’t. Of course you are. You are one of those annoying posters who wants to have a nice forum for you to agree with other people, forming a nice big group hug. But of course, you want to make noises about dissenting voices and such so that you can heroically put up with them for a few days and then reminisce about that crazy poster who got banned, thus strengthening that little warm fuzzy feeling you get from belonging and feeling like you’re right about something. The annoying thing is, you never stop criticizing the “bad” posters long enough to realize that you’re kind of an asshole too. Personally, I think you are a prime example of the type of poster that ruins communities. It’s not the assholes, it’s not the trolls, it’s not the political extremists, and it’s not the people who can’t really put together a logical argument. Nope. It’s the people that try to police the consensus, remove the undesirable elements, and enforce some lofty policy of civility and good manners (at least for the other team) that are the true fuckheads. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/42 "2009-09-22T04:56:44Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Sorry, SWB, but if I’m to link to specific posts I’d have to link to each and every one of her posts since they all apply. 🙂 > > But thank you, I take great pride in my fucking toolishness. I’m glad you could notice it. Notice? It’s obvious. Also, it is the height of hilarity for you (what is cruise control?) to talk about ANYONE being obtuse. You gave a very weak OP and a weak pitting of an obviously unpopular poster. Why? I couldn’t say for sure but if I had to guess it’s because you were feeling a little needy tonight and thought you’d get a whole bunch of people agreeing with you how awful she is. You did the same thing with **Carol Stream** not that long ago. Report her posts if you think she’s trolling but since you consider “each and every one” of her posts to be trolling then you’re proving yourself to be not a very good judge of what is or isn’t “correct” behavior. Put her on ignore and STFU. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/43 "2009-09-22T05:44:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If we banned everybody who happens to be an asshole, this place would be down to **Polycarp** and me!!! Now fuck off, the lot of you. 🙂 I don’t think **curlcoat** is a troll. Stupid, narrow-minded, parochial? Sure. But that’s not a bannable offense. I think it’s sort of fun having some folks like her around, even if she is infuriating at times. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/44 "2009-09-22T07:57:57Z")
I don’t think **Curlcoat** is a true troll. She is merely an infusion into our Board of the very worst of American non-thinking. I find her to be nasty, uncaring, selfish, rude and a few other unpleasant adjectives. But I think that she is arguing–however nastily and most of the time illogically-- from an honest (to her) position. Still, she is just a piece of shit who holds disgusting–to liberals and conservatives alike-- positions. But she is still not trolling, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/45 "2009-09-22T12:14:02Z")
If we were playing kickball and I was the captain of a team, and only **Curlcoat** and **Carol Stream** were left, I’d so pick **Carol Stream** to be on my team! At least **Carol Stream** kicks with intelligence and a certain, oh, I don’t know, _je ne sais quoi_ that my alter ego would have, if I had one. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/46 "2009-09-22T13:03:15Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Of course you are. You are one of those annoying posters who wants to have a nice forum for you to agree with other people, forming a nice big group hug. You’re one of those asshole posters who wants to make an argument out of everything. Not everyong thrives on conflict. So don’t go throwing stones at BigT. People need to stop beating up the OP. Regardless of whether Curlcoat is a troll or not, Curlcoat IS an asshat. That alone is worth a pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/47 "2009-09-22T13:36:47Z")
Why is **curlcoat** allowed to troll here? Well, the bare truth is that _everyone_ is allowed to troll here. It’s amusing to me that everyone complains about the language rules in the Pit, but at the same time the most easy-to-understand rule of the Pit–“no trolling”–is broken repeatedly and openly, and nothing is done. Observe: from a **Shodan** thread [shortly after the election](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10327507&postcount=50): > [@](#): > > I have basically given up on the election. Obama is going to win. The Blessed One is going to turn the White House beige. He will inherit a whole shit load of problems, and no doubt create a whole shit load more on his own. > > So one derives what pleasure one can from the debacle. I am going to make fun of those things I find amusing, and the worshipful reverence the Obamaniacs expect of their Chosen One is a big, bad, juicy target, and I intend to kick it until it stops amusing me or my toes get tired…Expect it to continue, and get worse, for the next four years or so. Damnit, who broke the mirror and gave us four or eight years of **Shodan** trolling? And of course **Shodan** has been true to his word, and we’ve gotten a steady stream of shit from him since November. If that example isn’t convincing enough, how about [this juicy turd](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11386445&postcount=1846) from **Rand Rover** : > [@](#): > > I like to get my troll on sometimes, I guess. **RR** was trolling left, right, and center in the Pit and the dude was never called on it (and I know I reported him on that very quote, and I wasn’t alone). Let’s face it, trolling along does not get you banned or even mildly warned here. Of course, using the phrase “go fuck yourself” (as opposed to just a random “Fuck!” or “go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut” or “masturbating like a motherfuck” or “eat a bowl of dicks, you fucking fucknugget”) will send the Dream Police after you faster than Bun E. Carlos hits the backstage spread. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/48 "2009-09-22T13:43:10Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I know this is a pretty cliquish place, but why is everybody so enthusiastic to press the “trolling” (pseudo-)charge and drop the banhammer whenever they suffer the outrage of encountering an opinion different from their own?–No matter how asinine that opinion might be. First, they came for **curlcoat** , and I clapped and cheered, for I hate that bitch. Then they came for **Kimmy\_Gibbler** , and I said nothing, because I was tired of him making me look silly in GQ. Then they snatched **Rand Ro** … Hey, where the fuck is **Rand Rover**? ---
**Author:** ![Jettboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@Jettboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jettboy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/49 "2009-09-22T13:59:23Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I honestly don’t think she’s a troll. I think she really, sincerely thinks that poor people, illegal immigrants, and babies are going to bankrupt her and her rich husband. I’m not even kidding. I think she’s like a cracked-out Archie Bunker or something. Behind all of it is a pathological fear of returning to poverty. She’s also not working, so she’s bored off her ass with only her dogs to talk to all day, hence her immense amount of time and energy spent here. I agree. I don’t think she’s a troll in the strictest sense of the word. I think she honestly, _genuinely_ believes all of the shit she writes.I don’t like her —in fact, I wouldn’t piss in her mouth if her tongue was on fire— but I don’t think she’s tossing out bullshit bait and hoping for a reaction; I think she’s just an obnoxious, hateful bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/50 "2009-09-22T14:24:40Z")
> [@torie](#): > > Maybe she keeps her mouth shut IRL. No worries there. Her type only spews this type of shit from the comfortable anonymity of the keyboard. She may hate kids in real life, but she’s not going to tell any parents she actually knows that she feels that way. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/51 "2009-09-22T15:00:59Z")
To be honest, what with her hatred of welfare and insistence that social security is a bank account and not welfare (although she refuses to keep track of what she gets out so she can stop taking the cheque once it equals what she put in), she just amuses me. She’s like the special kid in class that isn’t quite sure of when her birthday is. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/52 "2009-09-22T15:25:25Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I do think curlcoat gets off on saying awful things about kids, knowing that everyone will lose their minds when she does it, No dog in this fight but isn’t that the definition of troll? Saying awful things to rile people? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/53 "2009-09-22T15:28:35Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > No dog in this fight but isn’t that the definition of troll? Saying awful things to rile people? No. A troll says awful things they don’t actually believe to rile people. A white supremacist who posts in the forums on an interracial dating website isn’t trolling. A kid who does it just to see how mad people get is. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/54 "2009-09-22T15:32:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > A white supremacist who posts in the forums on an interracial dating website isn’t trolling. A kid who does it just to see how mad people get is. Disagree. I think both are trolls. The white supremacist isn’t trying to actually have a discussion or conversation with people. He’s just trying to stir up outrage and rile people up. That’s a troll. (If the white supremacist were actually interested in having a discussion, that would not be trolling. But posting just to get people all frothy with outrage, even if you really do believe the things you’re saying, is trollery.) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/55 "2009-09-22T15:38:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No. A troll says awful things they don’t actually believe to rile people. > > A white supremacist who posts in the forums on an interracial dating website isn’t trolling. A kid who does it just to see how mad people get is. It’s about intent, not sincerity. If a white supremacist comes here to try to genuinely have a debate, as vile as his beliefs might be he should be treated as civilly as possible. If a white supremacist comes here just to fuck with the darkies and their friends, he should be shown the door as quickly as possible, just like any troll. Similarly, if a poster adopts a position he doesn’t believe, but comports himself civilly while debating that position, then that’s not trolling. That’s devil’s advocacy. Someone taking a position he doesn’t believe in just to fuck with people, that’s trolling. I don’t think sincerity of belief has anything to do with trolling, but instead one’s motivation in posting is the driving force. If **curlcoat** really believes what she’s saying, but words it as nastily as possible just to get a rise out of people, that’s trolling. It’s also why I have so little respect for anti-liberals and anti-conservatives. A conservative may hold sincere, rational beliefs, but when all he wants to do is fuck with the liberals, he’s trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/56 "2009-09-22T15:47:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > First, they came for **curlcoat** , and I clapped and cheered, for I hate that bitch. > > Then they came for **Kimmy\_Gibbler** , and I said nothing, because I was tired of him making me look silly in GQ. > > Then they snatched **Rand Ro** … > > Hey, where the fuck is **Rand Rover**? You know, I was wondering why things seemed so quiet in here. ---
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/57 "2009-09-22T15:58:51Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > You know, I was wondering why things seemed so quiet in here. I just assumed curlcoat was Rand Rovers brainwashed wife… ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/58 "2009-09-22T16:26:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No. A troll says awful things they don’t actually believe to rile people On a message board, these are functionally the same. Motivation for what people post can’t be determined with any certainty. What they actually post, can. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/59 "2009-09-22T16:28:23Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > No worries there. Her type only spews this type of shit from the comfortable anonymity of the keyboard. She may hate kids in real life, but she’s not going to tell any parents she actually knows that she feels that way. Most people suffer from the same “won’t say it to someone’s face” malady. Well, if someone has any sense of decency and common courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/60 "2009-09-22T16:31:32Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > On a message board, these are functionally the same. Motivation for what people post can’t be determined with any certainty. What they actually post, can. Perhaps, but one is against the rules and one is not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025.md?page=4)