# Why is curlcoat allowed to troll on here? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025 "2009-09-21T23:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/61 "2009-09-22T17:02:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Perhaps, but one is against the rules and one is not. There is no way to determine intent, so rules should be enforced based on behavior. I realize it’s not quite as cut and dried as that, but trying to divine intent from someone’s posts is a tricky thing. Think about this. For all we really know, curlcoat -could- be a massive troll who’s only real intent is to stir up shit. So one way of thinking is that someone who’s posting trollish comments should be treated as they were a troll rather than trying to mitigate their behavior by saying they may not be a troll. I supposed it’s all theoretical anyway. I’m not advocating curlcoat, as evil as she appears to be, be banned or other mod action be taken. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/62 "2009-09-22T17:23:47Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > No worries there. Her type only spews this type of shit from the comfortable anonymity of the keyboard. She may hate kids in real life, but she’s not going to tell any parents she actually knows that she feels that way. I can only hope. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/63 "2009-09-22T19:41:43Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > There is no way to determine intent, so rules should be enforced based on behavior. > > I realize it’s not quite as cut and dried as that, but trying to divine intent from someone’s posts is a tricky thing. > > Think about this. For all we really know, curlcoat -could- be a massive troll who’s only real intent is to stir up shit. So one way of thinking is that someone who’s posting trollish comments should be treated as they were a troll rather than trying to mitigate their behavior by saying they may not be a troll. And here you are, arguing with a bunch of people about what is and isn’t a troll. Are you doing this just to try and get my goat? Or are you just doing it because you are well-intentioned but dumb? It’s difficult to gauge your intent. Thus, I submit that you are a troll, or at least that we should treat you like one. Or. . . Is there some scheme, some arcane plan, some novel way that we could decide who has the right to declare a poster a troll? Something other than a plea to the silent presumed majority or a declaration of dickishness? Gentlemen, I submit to you a brave, audacious, and frankly outlandish idea: Report the fucking post if you think they are a troll and then fuck off and let the mods do their work, instead of whining about the bad people and how we should all be nice and hold hands. (I’d rather read curlcoat’s “trolls” than your childish drivel any day, you dumb Nancy Grace wannabe.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/64 "2009-09-22T20:31:40Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > I’d rather read curlcoat’s “trolls” than your childish drivel any day, you **dumb Nancy Grace** wannabe. Bit redundant, that. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/65 "2009-09-22T20:33:08Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Does anyone know the answer? Cheap entertainment for the easily amused (and I include myself in that group)? ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/66 "2009-09-22T21:41:57Z")
Here’s what I don’t understand. Her defense for the fact she receives Social Security is that she was a taxpayer for many years and contributed to it. That’s a valid excuse for her, but regardless of how long I paid taxes and contributed to this program, (and I will happily pay still more taxes for the years that I am out of school.) I’m still scum for taking advantage of it? Why is that a valid excuse for her, but not for the working poor? I’m not going to get an answer, because no one does. For what it’s worth, I don’t think she’s troll either. She just doesn’t think through her positions, no matter how hard one tries to prod her to do so. I think she must have some profound emotional investment in this particular position, which is why I think Rubystreak’s analysis is probably best. There’s something almost pathological about her hatred of children, which makes me wonder what’s happened to her in her past. (Not that I think everyone who’s not fond of children must be psychologically damaged in some way, but her positions in particular are so extreme it makes me wonder.) ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/67 "2009-09-22T22:58:48Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > And here you are, arguing with a bunch of people about what is and isn’t a troll. Are you doing this just to try and get my goat? Or are you just doing it because you are well-intentioned but dumb? It’s difficult to gauge your intent. Jesus Christ, that’s a whole pile of stupid in one short paragraph. This isn’t an argument, it’s a discussion. Most people here aren’t arguing, except for the couple of mopes like you who want to make a big deal out of this thread. > [@](#): > > Report the fucking post if you think they are a troll and then fuck off and let the mods do their work, instead of whining about the bad people and how we should all be nice and hold hands. (I’d rather read curlcoat’s “trolls” than your childish drivel any day, you dumb Nancy Grace wannabe.) Good thing I don’t give a fuck what big bad Ivn1188 thinks about my posts, then. And what sweet irony that one of the people who give moderators the most shit about rules and decisions suggests that the mods take care of things. GTFO of the thread and let the people who have more than a single working brain cell -discussion- the topic. Besides, don’t you need to rip tomndeb a new asshole over some petty bullshit? Shoo. And seriously “Nancy Grace wannabe”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/68 "2009-09-22T23:17:22Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Good thing I don’t give a fuck what big bad Ivn1188 thinks about my posts, then. > > And what sweet irony that one of the people who give moderators the most shit about rules and decisions suggests that the mods take care of things. Well, it must be the Alanis Morisette kind of irony, because I think the idea that having rules and following them and maybe asking the mods to reconsider and clarify the rules when they need to be adjusted kinda goes along with the whole idea that you and your ilk _aren’t_ mods, and should therefore quit trying to be mods. The real irony present is that despite your protestations to the contrary, your rabid mashing of the quote post button belies your first assertion. There is also no small irony in the fact that you are here wailing and gnashing your teeth about how we should treat people (such as yourself) like trolls if their behavior reflects “trollism”, while you are agreeing with my assertion (quit calling for bans) and are simply stating mean, nasty, hurtful things about my character (believe me, I’m crying on the inside) without actually making a coherent point. I mean, you said to judge if people are breaking the rules on trolling (not that that rule is even specifically stated; it’s only implied under the courtesy rule) by their posts, yet not to punish them for breaking the rules. So, are you actually making a point about trolls and troll-calling, or are you just here to call people names? I’m fine with that, but it would seem incongruent with your supposed outrage. Or it could just be that you’re a moron. > [@tacoloco](#): > > GTFO of the thread and let the people who have more than a single working brain cell -discussion- the topic. Besides, don’t you need to rip tomndeb a new asshole over some petty bullshit? Shoo. And here you are again, trying to control the discussion. I’m supposed to leave why? Oh yes, so you can keep calling people bitches, assholes, and trolls without facing criticism. I think I’m fine right here, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/69 "2009-09-22T23:36:47Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Well, it must be the Alanis Morisette kind of irony, because I think the idea that having rules and following them and maybe asking the mods to reconsider and clarify the rules when they need to be adjusted kinda goes along with the whole idea that you and your ilk _aren’t_ mods, and should therefore quit trying to be mods. I’m not the one on the moderator’s rear ends every time they make a decision. But sure enough, you’re right up there sticking your boot up their asses when they do something you don’t like or disagree with. Thus, it’s comical for you to make the tacit claim that “my ilk” think they’re moderators when you’re one of the worst offenders when it comes to giving the mods shit. You’re lucking SDMB is so lenient on calling out mods. Most other boards you’d an ex-poster. > [@](#): > > So, are you actually making a point about trolls and troll-calling, or are you just here to call people names? I’m fine with that, but it would seem incongruent with your supposed outrage. I made the point above. There is no way to judge intent of someone’s posts. So if someone is posting things that seem like trolling they should be called out on it. That was the entire point. Clearly that one working brain cell must have been on asleep otherwise you’d have figured it out on your own. > [@](#): > > And here you are again, trying to control the discussion. I’m supposed to leave why? Oh yes, so you can keep calling people bitches, assholes, and trolls without facing criticism. I think I’m fine right here, thanks. You be fine right here. I’ll be happy to call you out for be a dick. Oh wait, I can’t really do that because all I would do was post here since you act like a dick all the time. And do you really think criticism from an anonymous jackass really makes any difference to me? You could “criticize” me all day long and it’s still gonna have less importance to me than the dump I took this morning. You seem to have a bloated sense of self-importance ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/70 "2009-09-22T23:44:36Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > I’m not the one on the moderator’s rear ends every time they make a decision. But sure enough, you’re right up there sticking your boot up their asses when they do something you don’t like or disagree with. Thus, it’s comical for you to make the tacit claim that “my ilk” think they’re moderators when you’re one of the worst offenders when it comes to giving the mods shit. You’re lucking SDMB is so lenient on calling out mods. Most other boards you’d an ex-poster. Just curious, but can you provide cites for this other than when **FinnAgain** reported me for “admiting I was trolling” and it wasn’t an issue, or when **SmashTheState** got banned and I asked for the mods to say exactly why? Cause, IIRC, 2 \< every time. BTW, you might wanna go back and reread your own posts in this thread and then read mine, because you are missing my point like your mom missed having any children that lived. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/71 "2009-09-22T23:45:39Z")
Dammit, can we stop the hijack and get back to bashing Curlcoat for my neediness? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/72 "2009-09-22T23:50:41Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Dammit, can we stop the hijack and get back to bashing Curlcoat for my neediness? Uh, you’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like you. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/73 "2009-09-22T23:57:49Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Just curious, but can you provide cites for this other than when **FinnAgain** reported me for “admiting I was trolling” and it wasn’t an issue, or when **SmashTheState** got banned and I asked for the mods to say exactly why? So, all of your posts in ATMB are “clarifications”, then? _snort_ I see your mom only had retarded children. Or were you just dropped on your head? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/74 "2009-09-23T00:10:53Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **Idle Thoughts** > > Dammit, can we stop the hijack and get back to bashing Curlcoat for my neediness? > > Uh, you’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like you. > > Enjoy. Not much **curlcoat** bashing in there, is there? How about adding: “And none of that is thanks to **curlcoat**.” ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/75 "2009-09-23T00:11:31Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > So, all of your posts in ATMB are “clarifications”, then? > > _snort_ > > I see your mom only had retarded children. Or were you just dropped on your head? Well, I might be retarded, but I just used the search function to find all 13 of my posts in 3 whole threads in ATMB. (Including classic rants like “Take your time, no hurry”, and “Thanks for clarifying that”!) I did find your post, though: > [@GFactor, i have no idea what you are trying to say](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gfactor-i-have-no-idea-what-you-are-trying-to-say/504921/8): > > I swear people here over think every little fucking thing. > > “The key part of this definition appears to be the inclusion of the word “just”.” > > _facepalm_ Always classy! ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/76 "2009-09-23T00:28:05Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Dammit, can we stop the hijack and get back to bashing Curlcoat for my neediness? Hey, even if you did un-friend me on facebook, I’m still going to have to agree with you 100% on this pitting. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/77 "2009-09-23T00:29:08Z")
> [@torie](#): > > There’s something almost pathological about her hatred of children, which makes me wonder what’s happened to her in her past. (Not that I think everyone who’s not fond of children must be psychologically damaged in some way, but her positions in particular are so extreme it makes me wonder.) [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11419330&postcount=2042) might help. I don’t think she’s troll either but it seems she decided long ago what her worldview would be and nothing but nothing will change her mind. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/78 "2009-09-23T00:39:26Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Always classy! :dubious: My point there stands. People just love to argue over the smallest bullshit points. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/79 "2009-09-23T00:41:04Z")
> [@torie](#): > > Here’s what I don’t understand. Her defense for the fact she receives Social Security is that she was a taxpayer for many years and contributed to it. That’s a valid excuse for her, but regardless of how long I paid taxes and contributed to this program, (and I will happily pay still more taxes for the years that I am out of school.) I’m still scum for taking advantage of it? This is an excellent point and one I wish you’d made. You and your husband paid your damn taxes, so when you need help, you can temporarily make use of public funds to tide you over until you get back on your feet. It’s no different from what she’s doing with her SSDI. You are not a career welfare recipient; you are using it as it was intended, and there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with that. She’s a bitch and a half for suggesting otherwise, and for saying a word about your childbearing choices. You have the rest of your adult lives to pay back the taxes you’re receiving in benefits, and you will, in spades. She just really enjoys crapping on people she perceives as irresponsible, because she’s really crapping on her own shitty parents, as demonstrated in the cite posted by 5-4-Fighting. Sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025/80 "2009-09-23T00:43:08Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > :dubious: > > My point there stands. People just love to argue over the smallest bullshit points. So is that a tacit admission that your point about me jumping all over the mods: “Thus, it’s comical for you to make the tacit claim that “my ilk” think they’re moderators when you’re one of the worst offenders when it comes to giving the mods shit. You’re lucking SDMB is so lenient on calling out mods. Most other boards you’d an ex-poster.” …was wrong? Because it sure looks like you might have been exaggerating just a bit, eh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-curlcoat-allowed-to-troll-on-here/511025.md?page=5)