# Why is it that only Northern Europeans have been programmed to make themselves into a minority? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427 "2011-07-18T10:56:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/1 "2011-07-18T10:56:16Z")
(For simplicity, Northern Europeans in this thread are people who mainly origin from Britain, Ireland, Belgium, France, Holland, Germany, Austria and Scandinavia) All Northern European descendants have been programmed since early childhood to hate their heritage and strive for making their own ethnicity to a minority within their own country. They are taught that Slavery was primarily an all white-affair, that Nazi-Germany is a natural result of white nationalism, and so on. This is just bullshit. The slavery was going on for centuries by mainly Arab merchants, and it was the Northern Europeans who ended the slavery world wide. Whites even got to war to stop it. Same thing with Nazi Germany. Hundreds of thousands of Americans and Brits died to stop this mutant form of nationalism. And the reason why Americans and Brits volunteered to fight was a feeling of nationalism and solidarity with their own country. Virtues that are no proclaimed as being fascist. So can anyone please explain to me why Northern Europeans should be taught to embrace mass immigration, while at the same time the inhabitants of South Korea, Japan and Israel should not. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/2 "2011-07-18T11:45:24Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > This is just bullshit. I believe this might be the only accurate statement in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/3 "2011-07-18T11:49:06Z")
It’s definitely not fair. Someone should do something. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/4 "2011-07-18T11:52:26Z")
I doubt the OP has ever been to NE. This: “have been programmed since early childhood to hate their heritage and strive for making their own ethnicity to a minority within their own country” is the wrongest things I have read this week. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/5 "2011-07-18T12:03:08Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > I doubt the OP has ever been to NE. This: “have been programmed since early childhood to hate their heritage and strive for making their own ethnicity to a minority within their own country” is the wrongest things I have read this week. Quite. And I’m not quite sure what immigration has to do with anything. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/6 "2011-07-18T12:37:08Z")
Can You clarify your Position a bit better OP? I don’t really follow what you are getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/7 "2011-07-18T12:46:03Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > Can You clarify your Position a bit better OP? I don’t really follow what you are getting at. It’s all cultural Marixsm to me. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/8 "2011-07-18T12:49:39Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > (For simplicity, Northern Europeans in this thread are people who mainly origin from Britain, Ireland, Belgium, France, Holland, Germany, Austria and Scandinavia) > > All Northern European descendants have been programmed since early childhood to hate their heritage and strive for making their own ethnicity to a minority within their own country. We have? We do? I thought I liked my heritage, but apparently not. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/9 "2011-07-18T12:53:00Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > We have? We do? > > I thought I liked my heritage, but apparently not. Oh well. Shame on you… err… for not being ashamed like the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/10 "2011-07-18T12:53:06Z")
As I understand the OP, his argument boils down to: Northern European countries, and/or countries with majority populations that derive from Northern European cultures, seem to hold in common a meme that cultural and ethnic disversity should be encouraged, through immigration as well as other means; other cultures, such as South Korea, Japan, and Israel, do not share this meme and instead embrace cultural and ethnic homogeny. Discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/11 "2011-07-18T12:55:15Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > We have? We do? > > I thought I liked my heritage, but apparently not. Oh well. No true Scotsman rejects his heritage. _ **checks OP definition of “Northern European”** _ Oh, wait… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/12 "2011-07-18T12:55:31Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > Can You clarify your Position a bit better OP? I don’t really follow what you are getting at. What the OP is saying is that he, as a white person, is being repressed by all those people with darker skins. This is much the same way as, e.g., men get repressed by feminists, and and straight people get repressed by gays. As a straight white male, I must say that I share his pain. It’s been weeks since any of those darkies bowed to me and called me “Master”; my woman has stopped walking three paces behind me; and those lesbians won’t have anything to do with me. I just hope that the OP can back to the 19th century where he belongs. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/13 "2011-07-18T13:01:19Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Shame on you… err… for not being ashamed like the rest of us. Its not my fault though, we were all programmed. OP sez so. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/14 "2011-07-18T13:02:12Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > What the OP is saying is that he, as a white person, is being repressed by all those people with darker skins. This is much the same way as, e.g., men get repressed by feminists, and and straight people get repressed by gays. > > As a straight white male, I must say that I share his pain. It’s been weeks since any of those darkies bowed to me and called me “Master”; my woman has stopped walking three paces behind me; and those lesbians won’t have anything to do with me. I just hope that the OP can back to the 19th century where he belongs. I’m guessing English isn’t your first language. Or second, or third, or fifteenth. ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/15 "2011-07-18T13:06:58Z")
Down with this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/16 "2011-07-18T13:11:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > As I understand the OP, his argument boils down to: Northern European countries, and/or countries with majority populations that derive from Northern European cultures, seem to hold in common a meme that cultural and ethnic disversity should be encouraged, through immigration as well as other means; other cultures, such as South Korea, Japan, and Israel, do not share this meme and instead embrace cultural and ethnic homogeny. > > Discuss. The difference being that statements like “All Northern European descendants have been programmed since early childhood to hate their heritage and strive for making their own ethnicity to a minority within their own country,” indicate clearly that the OP is not interested in discussing cultural perspectives regarding immigration and national/racial identity, but is instead starting from a hostile, extreme, and unfounded position, and then asking why whites have to be so damned welcoming to everyone else, when we “let” all those other people just sit around in their monocultures. **Bricker** , you pulled out an interesting and possibly worthy translation of the OP (though I do ask for a cite about the consistency of [del]white[/del] Northern Eurpoean cultures with regards to being welcoming of immigration), but I think **Giles** is just as close to the truth of the OP as you are. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/17 "2011-07-18T13:11:59Z")
Careful now, **Wallenstein**. > [@Bricker](#): > > As I understand the OP, his argument boils down to: Northern European countries, and/or countries with majority populations that derive from Northern European cultures, seem to hold in common a meme that cultural and ethnic disversity should be encouraged, through immigration as well as other means; other cultures, such as South Korea, Japan, and Israel, do not share this meme and instead embrace cultural and ethnic homogeny. > > Discuss. Even if we ignore the insistence that Northern Europeans have somehow been brainwashed into a position of desiring cultural diversity (and likewise ignore the underlying petulance of the OP), while Northern Europeans may be _more_ tolerant of cultural diversity than other cultures are it’s still a long way from “we all hate our respective cultures to the point of wanting to dilute them into unrecognizability via unrestrained immigration from outside Europe”. The OP assumes a lot of facts not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/18 "2011-07-18T13:14:32Z")
Helpful tip: when the very title of the OP assumes facts not in evidence, the thread is unlikely to go well. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/19 "2011-07-18T13:14:47Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’m guessing English isn’t your first language. Or second, or third, or fifteenth. Second language, actually. My first language was baby talk. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427/20 "2011-07-18T13:16:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > As I understand the OP, his argument boils down to: Northern European countries, and/or countries with majority populations that derive from Northern European cultures, seem to hold in common a meme that cultural and ethnic disversity should be encouraged, through immigration as well as other means; other cultures, such as South Korea, Japan, and Israel, do not share this meme and instead embrace cultural and ethnic homogeny. > > Discuss. So he’s asking why different cultures have different ideas about accepting the different ideas of different cultures? Maybe if Ireland let in more Japanese people, the culture there would change to be more hostile to letting in more ethnic diversity. (As to Ireland specifically, they’ve been open to letting in immigrants because back when Ireland was an impoverished hell-hole, large numbers of Irish people emigrated out of the country to the US and other places. So I don’t really see how that can be interepreted as the kind of N. European self-loathing the OP theorizes). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-it-that-only-northern-europeans-have-been-programmed-to-make-themselves-into-a-minority/589427.md?page=2)