# Why Is Korea More Christian Than Japan **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 8, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566 "2010-08-08T01:06:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/41 "2010-08-09T00:31:19Z")
Voluble writes: \> You would think a culture that is as shame based as in Japan would have a \> natural affinity for certain strains of Christianity. There’s a standard distinction made between a shame culture and a guilt culture: > **[Guilt–shame–fear spectrum of cultures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_society)** > > In cultural anthropology, the distinction between a guilt society or guilt culture, shame society or shame culture and honor–shame culture, and a fear society or culture of fear, has been used to categorize different cultures. The differences can apply to how behavior is governed with respect to government laws, business rules, or social etiquette. This classification has been applied especially to so called "apollonian" societies, sorting them according to the emotions they use to control ind Th... > **[Guilt–shame–fear spectrum of cultures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_society)** > > In cultural anthropology, the distinction between a guilt society or guilt culture, shame society or shame culture and honor–shame culture, and a fear society or culture of fear, has been used to categorize different cultures. The differences can apply to how behavior is governed with respect to government laws, business rules, or social etiquette. This classification has been applied especially to so called "apollonian" societies, sorting them according to the emotions they use to control ind Th... If this distinction is correct, Japan as a shame culture wouldn’t have much affinity for a religion based on guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/42 "2010-08-09T02:30:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@Markxxx](#): > > > > And Koreans never attacked America either. What’s the point of either statement? 🙂 > > Japan attacked a military target. We intentionally incinerated civilians on a massive scale. With no provocation. (I don’t want to get into an argument over Pearl Harbor vs. Hiroshima/Nagasaki, but let’s not pretend that the Imperial Japanese were all puppies and kittens. A lot of what they were doing to POWs and civilians was equivalent to the Nazis, just on a smaller scale.) ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/43 "2010-08-09T11:33:30Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > In the Republic of Korea (not counting the authoritiarian/Stalinist DPRK) one out of every four men is a Christian while in Japan it is barely one out of a hundred? Why is this so considering Japan Westernized earlier than Korea and in the 1500s Japan had hundreds of thousands of Catholic converts? Is it really only one out of every four? Perhaps it’s more. I never saw so many churches than when I was in Korea last year. I knew they were Christian churches because they had a large red flourescent cross on the roof. At night time the whole landscape is peppered with bright red crosses. I even had the experience of strangers introducing themselves to me in the supermarket checkout so that they could invite me to attend church with them. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/44 "2010-08-10T19:46:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Christians never bombed the living shit out of Korea. > [@GythaOgg](#): > > > [@ouryL](#): > > > > Of course, having the largest contingency of Christians living in Hiroshima during WWII, did not help. > > Actually, it wasn’t Hiroshima; it was Nagasaki. Nagasaki is correct. It’s worth noting the biggest reason for this, in the context of what somebody upthread said about Christianity being criminalized in the 16th century. The interesting thing about the “Christian persecution” in Japan at that time was that it wasn’t exactly a “religious” persecution. That is, the objection to Christianity was not based on the fact that it conflicted with Shinto or Buddhism. Rather, it was political in nature. In the 1600s, Japan was going through a period of “disunity”. That is, the Emperor was pretty powerless and the country was divided up into a number of small districts that were unified only in the most technical sense. These various districts were frequently in conflict with each other as their respective daimyos (feudal lords) vied for supremacy. Enter the (mostly Portugese and Dutch) Christian missionaries. These missionaries arrived on the same ships as European merchants/traders, who began to introduce all sorts of new products into Japan. The most significant new product was, unsurprisingly, firearms. The Japanese had up until then still fought medieval-style, with swords and spears and archers, etc., and they eagerly adopted the new weapons the Europeans introduced. Eventually, though, it occurred to various daimyos around the country that rival daimyos who happened to control major ports (like, say, Nagasaki) could end up with a dramatic military advantage, due to the simple fact that the guns entered the country at those locations. It would be a relatively simple matter for those daimyos to either purchase all the guns for themselves as soon as they entered the country, or simply prevent the traders from traveling to other districts. Pretty soon, these port-controlling daimyos would severely outgun everybody else. The solution? Throw 'em all out. While it was specifically the merchants who were bringing the guns into the country, the fact that the missionaries arrived _with_ the merchants led to the not-unreasonable conclusion that they were one and the same. So they were barred from the country, and the religion was criminalized . On one hand, there was likely suspicion that converts might be used by the Europeans to smuggle guns into the country, and on the other, by pointing to the religion (and it’s incompatibility with traditional beliefs) and not the merchandise, they deflected attention away from the fact they were depriving the people of _all_ the goods the merchants brought. The daimyo of the district that included Nagasaki was more tolerant (he’d gotten rich from the trade, after all), and many Japanese Christian converts fled to Nagasaki to escape persecution in the other regions, and the religion continued to flourish there. The [Wikipedia article on Nagasaki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki) has some good information, though much of what I’ve shared here came from an English-language Japanese news Web site (it was actually more Japanese-written essays than actual “news” - I read a really good essay written by Japan’s current Emperor there), which I read several years ago and unfortunately no longer have a link to. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/45 "2010-08-10T19:59:30Z")
[Recent related thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571530) Supposedly Seoul is the home of the largest Christian church in the world (congregation size, not building size). ---
**Author:** ![Stormcrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@Stormcrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stormcrow)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566/46 "2010-08-10T20:13:17Z")
How much of Korea’s large Christian population can be traced to the US having large numbers of troops there since the 50’s? From my vantage point, that seems to be the only serious point of divergence between Japan and Korea. Does Okinawa have a larger Christian contingent than the rest of Japan? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-korea-more-christian-than-japan/549566.md?page=2)