# Why Is Liberal Allowed To Use GD As A Personal Blog??? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 22, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924 "2009-07-22T22:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/81 "2009-07-23T16:18:53Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > And I’m not complaining about that–I certainly rule-weaseled and I appreciate the lack of warning. But I _do_ want to know why other people can get away with similar rule weaseling on a weekly basis. > > Again, you guys can’t possibly be saying that there’s any real difference in meaning between “You’re a believer. All believers lie constantly” and “I wish I could tell you what a liar you are”. The words are different, but the meaning is identical. > I disagree. My apologies if I missed this upthread: Do you report the posts where you believe people are rule weaseling weekly? If not, I encourage you to do so, it helps the mods see things that they might have missed. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/82 "2009-07-23T16:20:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > But let’s not bullshit here: **Liberal** does a lot of crap to draw flack from other posters, and on the other side of things, there are people who jump his shit with any provocation. He’s been pitted four times already this year that I can find, one of those by **Stink Fish Pot** , who’s also posted in this thread.) I pitted **Liberal**? Really? I wonder what for… oh yeah. For the nonsensical “Moving!” post, and some drama that I was fed up with. Are you saying I’m a “hater”? I think calling me out is pretty pathetic, considering I don’t normally follow his postings, and only pitted him for that. But I can still see special treatment when I see it, and **Liberal** gets it. I’m not the only one who sees it. Personally, I don’t really give a shit, and I’ve mentioned a number of times that TPTB can choose to run this board the way they want. But that doesn’t mean I won’t point out the obvious every now and then. 🆒 **tomndebb** is incapable of admitting he might be wrong, and will spend the next forever defending his POV. Or until this thread is locked. Whichever suits him. Based on this, I think **Marley23** is a “Hater” of **Stink Fish Pot**. What do I win? :o me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/83 "2009-07-23T16:31:59Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > I pitted **Liberal**? Really? I wonder what for… oh yeah. For the nonsensical “Moving!” post, and some drama that I was fed up with. ‘What, who, me?’ You do seem to have a short memory. 😉 > [@](#): > > I think calling me out is pretty pathetic I’m sorry you feel that way, but then again, you’re the one who started the Pit thread, aren’t you? > [@](#): > > :o me. Mhm. Eloquence will get you everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/84 "2009-07-23T16:39:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > ‘What, who, me?’ You do seem to have a short memory. 😉 yeah, but it works for me.🆒 > [@Marley23](#): > > I’m sorry you feel that way, but then again, you’re the one who started the Pit thread, aren’t you? Guilty as charged. 🆒 > [@Marley23](#): > > Mhm. Eloquence will get you everywhere. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/85 "2009-07-23T16:41:09Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Based on this, I think **Marley23** is a “Hater” of **Stink Fish Pot**. > > What do I win? > :o me. A response. Evidently there’s even a list of who does and does not garner one of those no matter how reasonable the post. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/86 "2009-07-23T16:44:40Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > :o me. I read that as blow me. Just from looking at it, it STILL looks like blow me. Wow. How embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/87 "2009-07-23T16:45:09Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > My apologies if I missed this upthread: Do you report the posts where you believe people are rule weaseling weekly? If not, I encourage you to do so, it helps the mods see things that they might have missed. I rarely, if ever, report threads in GD. Tom has, at least once, indicated that he doesn’t believe those thread reports are confidential and has brought up a [[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10135336&postcount=152poster’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10135336&postcount=152poster's) reports to try to win an argument/shut up a poster. \< we now pause for Tom to say “But Shodan mentioned reported threads in an earlier post in that thread” and “But I wasn’t in my forum, I wasn’t acting as a mod when I was using mod-only info to attack him” as though those points were relevant. \> Therefore, while I try to help mods in other forums, including reporting a likely returned multi-troll to Tuba/Lynn/Gfactor, I’m not comfortable doing so in GD. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/88 "2009-07-23T16:47:04Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > A response. Evidently there’s even a list of who does and does not garner one of those no matter how reasonable the post. Of course there is. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/89 "2009-07-23T16:48:26Z")
Sorry, Anaamika, that assertion was tongue in cheek. Was my humor too dry? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/90 "2009-07-23T16:54:26Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > I read that as blow me. Just from looking at it, it STILL looks like blow me. Uh, **Xploder** , that’s how you were supposed to read it. **Syntropy** , don’t read too much into the philosophy comment. Since **Liberal** wasn’t given any special treatment, that was plainly not intended as a justification for that treatment. And I disagree with the example you’re giving. I see it as an ironclad rule in GD that if a poster stipulates “Let us assume Obama is a socialist and discuss how Americans might respond to a true socialist agenda,” the first ten posts will argue that Obama isn’t a socialist. That’s life. People don’t get warned for hijacking when they do that because it’s a valid part of the debate even if it’s not the argument the OP wants. If somebody goes off on a tangent about how Obama is not a citizen, that might lead to a caution or warning about hijacking. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/91 "2009-07-23T16:56:09Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Therefore, while I try to help mods in other forums, including reporting a likely returned multi-troll to Tuba/Lynn/Gfactor, I’m not comfortable doing so in GD. There’s no rule against posting that you have reported a post, but you probably shouldn’t disclose this. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/92 "2009-07-23T16:59:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Uh, **Xploder** , that’s how you were supposed to read it. I know, I was being facetious. Did you not read my SECOND sentence? The one where I said > [@](#): > > Wow. How **embarrassing**. I mean it IS the embarrassement smiley after all. Didn’t think I needed to point that out. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/93 "2009-07-23T17:00:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There’s no rule against posting that you have reported a post, but you probably shouldn’t disclose this. More importantly, mods shouldn’t tell the board at large when or if a given poster has sent a report. Since Tom doesn’t believe that these are confidential, I avoid reporting posts in GD. Fixed link from above [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10135019&postcount=148](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10135019&postcount=148) ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/94 "2009-07-23T17:01:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There’s no rule against posting that you have reported a post, but you probably shouldn’t disclose this. If he isn’t saying what post he reports then where’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/95 "2009-07-23T17:01:56Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Syntropy** , don’t read too much into the philosophy comment. Since **Liberal** wasn’t given any special treatment, that was plainly not intended as a justification for that treatment. And I disagree with the example you’re giving. I see it as an ironclad rule in GD that if a poster stipulates “Let us assume Obama is a socialist and discuss how Americans might respond to a true socialist agenda,” the first ten posts will argue that Obama isn’t a socialist. That’s life. People don’t get warned for hijacking when they do that because it’s a valid part of the debate even if it’s not the argument the OP wants. If somebody goes off on a tangent about how Obama is not a citizen, that might lead to a caution or warning about hijacking. Thank you for addressing the concern. I still disagree with the principle, but obviously I understand it’s a necessarily subjective judgment call. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/96 "2009-07-23T17:04:51Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > More importantly, mods shouldn’t tell when a poster has sent a report. Ordinarily I agree and I’ve never disclosed who reported a post. Unfortunately **Tomndebb** was being accused of trying to get a poster banned by ignoring his reports. His options were consisted of ignoring a pretty serious accusation, and therefore giving it credence, or saying something and gets accused of violating someone’s confidence. > [@Xploder](#): > > If he isn’t saying what post he reports then where’s the problem? Because then someone asks who it is and it gets hinted at or disclosed. Defeats the point of reporting it in private, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/97 "2009-07-23T17:05:09Z")
I hope this doesn’t come across as offensive, **Lib** , because it certainly isn’t intended that way, but what you have been doing differently seems to be helping. People can’t get you to react, and it’s driving them nuts. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/98 "2009-07-23T17:21:54Z")
Question for the mods: Given the nontolerance for weaseling 'round the rules, would you consider this an attempt at junior modding? Could you clarify why or why not? > [@Liberal](#): > > Quite honestly, unless you have accepted the definition of aesthetics given in the OP, and are willing to help hash out a definition for ethics and morality that is respectful and inclusive of the thoughts of others, you don’t belong in this thread — as spelled out clearly in the OP. Obviously, I cannot prevent you from constantly crying out “Just get on with it already! What things mean doesn’t matter!” > > But, respectfully I do believe that intentional and belligerent distractions from the ongoing dicussions constitutes thread shitting. If you were to continue to engage in this behavior — attempting to disrail rather than contribute — it is my opinion that you would become rude at best and jerkish at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/99 "2009-07-23T18:06:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > (Seriously, do you see yourself, **leander** , **Seven** as co-presidents of the **Liberal** fanclub? I’m not interested in stepping into the middle of people’s idiotic grudges, some of which predate my time on this board. But let’s not bullshit here: **Liberal** does a lot of crap to draw flack from other posters, and on the other side of things, there are people who jump his shit with any provocation. He’s been pitted four times already this year that I can find, one of those by **Stink Fish Pot** , who’s also posted in this thread.) I don’t consider myself part of the Liberal fan club, nor do I consider myself part of the Liberal hate club. Just because I think someone is an idiot, liar, drama queen, douche, or any number of things does not equal hate. I don’t follow nutbags around and hijack their threads. (ok, there was the one time in the pit where I called people “Liberal” as an insult) I find the whole thing interesting myself. Here you have a poster that seems to create a lot of disruption because of his behaviour. As stated above he’s already been pitted a number of times this year and, I’d happen a guess, he hold the record for the member most pitted in the history of the dope. Yet tomndebb seems to be his protector and Liberal’s tomfoolery goes mostly unnoticed by the staff - except to intervene in threads and tell other posters not to call Liberal names. But, at the end of the day I really don’t care. Your board, your rules. The only time I read the dope these days is from posts being talked about in **the snarkpit**. How do you think I found _this_ thread? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924/100 "2009-07-23T18:27:50Z")
> [@Hunter\_Hawk](#): > > Question for the mods: Given the nontolerance for weaseling 'round the rules, would you consider this an attempt at junior modding? Could you clarify why or why not? My apologies if you’re looking for an answer for someone else, but it’s not junior modding. It’s a request, and a polite one at that. The OP of a thread is allowed to make requests. The fact that they are consistently ignored is evidence of how much authority those requests usually carry. > [@Seven](#): > > Just because I think someone is an idiot, liar, drama queen, douche, or any number of things does not equal hate. Your emotional state doesn’t interest me, my point was about your history with **Liberal**. > [@](#): > > The only time I read the dope these days is from posts being talked about in **the snarkpit**. Duh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liberal-allowed-to-use-gd-as-a-personal-blog/503924.md?page=6)