# Why is Marvel being so coy about Avengers IV? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 13, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485 "2018-03-13T13:28:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/21 "2018-03-15T12:53:35Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Avengers IV: “The Punisher KILLS the Marvel Universe”. Didn’t you mean Fred Hembeck? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/22 "2018-03-15T13:45:31Z")
Or Squirrel Girl Or Marvel Zombies ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/23 "2018-03-15T13:53:17Z")
To paraphrase from Spaceballs…Avengers V: The Search for More Money(tm…arr). They will probably market Musk’s flamethrower with an Avengers logo on the side (I hear the kids love it). ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/24 "2018-03-15T16:47:39Z")
I kind of think it’s not Avengers 4. It’s going to be released as The New Avengers. Pure speculation… Infinity War sees MOST of the Avengers die against Thanos–but die in a “their souls are trapped in the soul stone” kind of way. The remaining heroes retreat and regroup and recruit. That’s why we haven’t seen Hawkeye in the Infinity War promos but we know he’s there and in the next one. He’s a minor character --probably declining to take up against a cosmic threat… but when Widow and Cap are killed, he can’t say no. I think he may even be one of the focal stars of the 4th one. So we have a NEW Avengers team with Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, Antman, War Machine, Bucky, Scarlet Witch and a infinity stone-less Vision (the MCU version of the white Vision). Also maybe a Guardian or two… maybe Starlord and Rocket. They take the fight to Thanos ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/25 "2018-03-15T16:53:06Z")
I was thinking along the same lines. A LOT of heroes are going to be dead at the end of **Infinity War.** They’ll have to keep at least some of them that way for most of the next movie. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/26 "2018-03-15T21:24:30Z")
I was thinking time travel. There’s a stone for that, right? So they maybe _look_ like they’ve been blasted out of existence — since, well, technically, they _have_ — but with a perfect plot device for the sequel, albeit one they can’t yet advertise. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/27 "2018-03-15T21:45:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I was thinking along the same lines. A LOT of heroes are going to be dead at the end of **Infinity War.** They’ll have to keep at least some of them that way for most of the next movie. I wonder how Marvel is going to handle this. Every hero they kill off is potential future movies they are losing revenue on. Maybe future comic book revenue as well, since comic readers may not want to read about an alternate version of a hero they saw die messily onscreen. On the other hand, frankly, Robert Downey isn’t getting any younger, some of the heroes are played by actors and actresses who are not going to look the part as time passes. So who dies in the script has to be carefully run by the beancounters to see who is the most kill-able. Maybe the plan is to reboot these heroes later with younger actors. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/28 "2018-03-15T22:00:22Z")
But a lot of the superhero roles could be filled by other characters. If Stark dies, you keep on making Iron Man movies about Rhody. If Rogers dies, you keep on making Captain America movies about Bucky, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/29 "2018-03-15T22:41:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But a lot of the superhero roles could be filled by other characters. If Stark dies, you keep on making Iron Man movies about Rhody. Now, now. We all know that the heir to the Iron Man title is going to be Harley the Potato Gun Kid. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/30 "2018-03-16T01:33:40Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Maybe future comic book revenue as well, since comic readers may not want to read about an alternate version of a hero they saw die messily onscreen. Of all the reasons why someone might stop reading superhero comics, if “the character died and then a different version came back” was a show-stopper for many people, then the comics market would have died decades ago. It happens **all the damned time**. > [@SamuelA](#): > > On the other hand, frankly, Robert Downey isn’t getting any younger, some of the heroes are played by actors and actresses who are not going to look the part as time passes. And, frankly, Downey, Evans, Hemsworth, etc. very likely don’t want to do these films forever, anyway – particularly actors like Evans and Hemsworth (and, for that matter, Hugh Jackman), who have to go through a heavy-duty workout regimen to prep for playing the part. As has been pointed out, in the comics, other characters have taken on the title of Iron Man, Captain America, and even Thor, from time to time. It’s entirely plausible that Marvel could take the same approach with the characters in the films. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/31 "2018-03-16T05:14:38Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I kind of think it’s not Avengers 4. It’s going to be released as The New Avengers. With Purdey and Gambit? Oh, I hope not. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/32 "2018-03-16T18:15:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I can’t find it now, but I once saw a one-page of “What if everyone who had ever been an Avenger was still an Avenger?”. It was a rather crowded splash panel, for sure. Found [it](https://cboproductions.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/whatifeveryonewhodeverbeenanavengerhadremainedanavenger.jpg). I loved that issue of What If? “Spidey Intellectual Stories” was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/33 "2018-03-16T18:36:46Z")
My vote is for Avengers 4: Chrises on Infinite Earths. The Guardians go back to space, where they answer a distress call by James T. Kirk. Misunderstandings lead to a fight between Star Lord, Thor, Captain America, and Kirk. Who will be the One True Chris? DC would sue but it would be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485/34 "2018-03-17T03:10:47Z")
Yup, that was it, **Tamerlane** , thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-marvel-being-so-coy-about-avengers-iv/810485.md?page=1)