So what are you saying is “scaring the crap out of you”? You referred to “this ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us!’ bullshit”, which I took to mean the same sort of “freaking out about Trump” that you find “stupid”.
If that’s not the case, then what exactly is it in the behavior of (some) liberals that has the power to scare you so much, when you apparently consider the malevolent and extensively criminal looniness of the governing party and administration to be a comparatively trivial issue not worth “freaking out” over because “we’ll survive” it (probably)?
When I’m talking about “freaking out about Trump”, I’m talking about people claiming he’s the next Hitler, he’s going to ban elections, become a dictator, etc etc. THAT is annoying the crap out of me.
Scaring?
-Well, I’ve been told that if I have any friends who are Trump supporters, I’m “consorting with the enemy”, for one.
-The recent comments made by Ilhan Omar.
-The Women’s March and its support of people like Linda Sarsour and Louis Farrakhan
I don’t like cancel culture, or the idea that if you’re X, you’re automatically a bigot, because that means there’s no opportunity for education, for empathy, or forgiveness, or change.
I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m seeing things from the wrong angle?
(Again, look at the blog I posted)
I don’t like Trump. I think he’s an asshole, a bigot, he’s fucking things over, and I want him out badly. I think he’s probably the worst president we’ve had since Nixon. But I don’t think he’s Hitler. (More like the Kaiser). I DO think impeaching him would be a bad idea – if only because I think Pence would be worse. THAT does indeed scare me.
I don’t think Trump’s going to succeed in his wall, at least. Too many obstacles. And I think if the Democrats get a good candidate, that we’ll be able to beat him next year. crossing fingers
I guess I’m trying to look on the positive side, for now. Or as I said, I’m weary of listening to family members foaming at the mouth. (Almost literally – I’m not kidding my dad was actually spitting when he was ranting about the guy. He’s starting to sound like Grandpa Simpson)
It all comes down to what you say, for example if I publish “In my opinion (insert name here) set off a bomb.” VS “(insert name here) set off a bomb.”
In the first case it’s my opinion, which is why so many on both the left and right get by, by telling lies. In the second I was stating a fact, and as long as it’s true, no problem, but if they didn’t then there’s a problem as that was a false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation.
Now the WP’s problem is they MAY have had the information to show their statements weren’t, true. Now all the WP had to do was post a correction. That would have shown they corrected the information, with a corrected story.
By not correcting the story they left themselves open to a libel suit.
I can think of a few cases were news organizations have been sued for libel and have lost CBS, NBC, for example.
If, WP did have information that would have shown their story was false, odds are they will settle, if they didn’t then they will print a retraction.
The pushback that Guinastasia is experiencing is a perfect demonstration of how intolerant and dangerous the left has become. It is not enough to agree with certain principles. One must also express support in a hive mind sanctioned, ritualistic way. This purity test is dangerous and will have unintended consequences.
Guinastasia is now right wing, Trump supporting, Ms. Maga? Because she thinks that some people are overreacting on the left? I really don’t know why you folks don’t find the classically illiberal behavior of some modern liberals scary.
The only thing that surprises me in this thread is that she hasn’t been called a racist Nazi yet for expressing her non-approved thoughts.
Sure they can, if one, it wasn’t an opinion, two the facts were wrong, three they knew at the time the facts were wrong and they didn’t correct the story.
In the WP case, they printed it as a fact, they MAY have had information that the story they printed was false, and they didn’t correct the story.
Gonna go ahead and say that I do think that trump would like to ban elections and become a dictator. Not so much a Hitler as a Erdogan or Kim Jong-un, with his goal of emulating his idol Putin.
Do I think that that will happen? No, but only if we don’t let it happen, and I think that there are enough people left in this country with enough will to keep if from happening. If we become complacent, then it can happen here.
“Freaking out” does no good, but neither does labeling any criticism “freaking out” or TDS, or being triggered.
Even being passionate about expressing your dislike of the policies that have been advocated for and even implemented by the trump admin is not “freaking out”.
Well, they say that libs are the enemy, so, since they have drawn the battle lines, we just observe that you have crossed them.
I have acquaintances that are Trump supporters, I have (most of my) family that are trump supporters, the vast majority of the people I interact with on a daily basis are trump supporters.
But I am not friends with any trump supporters. Most of that ended in 2012 when conservatives that I thought were my friends called me the enemy and tore me a new one because I happened to have an Obama sign in my yard.
No one would even know who she is if it were not the right wing media amplify any comment she makes. She’s a junior rep from just this side of nowhere.
If the right would stop freaking out about her, then she would have no power or influence whatsoever.
Is it the women’s march that you object to, or their “support” of a couple people who are only known because they are boogieman of the right?
I don’t know that cancel culture is really a thing. I see people who are advocating for violence get kicked off of some platforms for violating the TOS, but I’m not seeing anyone getting censored for simply being assholes or having some repugnant opinions.
Depends on what you mean by X. If X is “burning a cross in a black man’s yard while wearing a white robe and hood”, then you’re probably a bigot.
Just being a conservative doesn’t mean that you are a automatically a bigot. There are a number of reasons to be a republican, only a few of which are aligned with bigotry.
But to be a trump supporter is to be knowingly supportive of bigots.
Hesitantly, I would say, yes, you are. You are seeing it from the charictuare that has been built up by the right. You criticize things that the right criticizes, even though these are not things that are actually really things on the left.
Just like when people complain about what the democrat focus on, they are not talking about what the democrats are spending their time working on and talking abou, they are talking about how much air time the different things get.
Clinton said that she was going to work to bring jobs and job training and education to coal miners out of work. The media repeated over and over again that she said that coal miners were going to be out of work, and people bought it, and agreed that she wasn’t focused on the problems of the coal miners, even though, if you actually listen to what she said, rather than the parts of her speech that were repeated over and over again, you would see that she spent far more time laying out what she would do with displaced workers.
Listen to what people actually say, not what the media tells you what you should hear.
I’d say worse than Nixon. Not being Hitler is a pretty low bar to clear. Impeaching him would be a bad idea, but not impeaching him may turn out to be a worse idea. Electing him in the first place was a terrible idea that puts us in a position where there are no “good” options, just options that we hope are less bad.
I’m hopeful too, but I was pretty optimistic in 2016 as well. We can be hopeful, but we cannot be complacent.
The presidency is a reality game show now, and, while trump has been a horrible person and an even worse president, he is very good at playing reality game shows.
I do have to admit concern over the fact that campaigning is more important that governing now.
That’s nothing compared to my parents when they talk about democrats. And this isn’t a new thing. I remember during the Clinton years, when I was still nominally a republican, my mother screaming and slamming her hands on the counter and spitting everywhere while yelling at her mother about how the clintons had Vince Foster killed. More recently, when she would go on about Benghazi, she’d be heard over at the neighbors.
At least the stuff that your father is upset about is rooted in reality.
Is he getting this upset about trump on his own, or does he get more upset when you get into an argument with him? People do sometimes get pretty heated when they get into arguments. My father, for instance was screaming at the top of his lungs in an argument about traffic flow.
Guin, take note, this is the sort of dishonest rhetorical tactics that the right uses. Make false assertions, and then base conclusions upon them.
It is an insidious way of arguing, as it makes no claims, just asserts things to be true that cannot be falsified, and then demonizes those they disagree with. It does not serve to advance any discussion, it only serves to try to drive people apart.
Well, thanks for demonstrating the actual limitations of the intelligence of mollusks.
Anyone that says "I don’t like Trump. I think he’s an asshole, a bigot, he’s fucking things over, and I want him out badly. I think he’s probably the worst president we’ve had since Nixon. But I don’t think he’s Hitler. (More like the Kaiser). I DO think impeaching him would be a bad idea – if only because I think Pence would be worse. THAT does indeed scare me.
I don’t think Trump’s going to succeed in his wall, at least. Too many obstacles. And I think if the Democrats get a good candidate, that we’ll be able to beat him next year. crossing fingers
I guess I’m trying to look on the positive side, for now. Or as I said, I’m weary of listening to family members foaming at the mouth. (Almost literally – I’m not kidding my dad was actually spitting when he was ranting about the guy. He’s starting to sound like Grandpa Simpson) " is not demanding that her Grampa be sent to oblivion, just complaining about his approach and so it is me and others here regarding some items Guin is going for.
Compare that with what I saw one catholic priest of Kentucky said when noticing what it means then to show support for the asshole in chief in a pro life demonstration:
Now over here the complain is for a poster missing a bit of the bigotry while ignoring the asinine nature of the lawsuit. At the same time it is clear that guys like the mollusk here does want to make this into a wedge between moderates and liberals but he is as silly as the ones expecting that slight differences among people in the left and moderates are deal breakers, but the real differences are the huge ones among the right that they continue to ignore, of course seeing that those divisions by the right led to the past midterm elections I’m optimistic as Guin is.
It is NOT stupid to ‘freak’ out about Trump. We have criminal moron that is likely a traitor in the white house. To compare him to Bush or Obama shows just how little attention you are paying.
We will survive. But the best way to do so is to put criminals in prison. Otherwise, the next mobster, that may have an IQ over 100 will try to do the same thing that Trump is doing. The BEST thing for the US is to prosecute Trump to the VERY fullest degree.
Some people have it backwards. High office doesn’t’ and should not protect you from you from crimes and proper persecution. It’s the exact opposite. They need to be looked at (tax returns anyone?) closely.
Comparing the racist bigoted ‘freak out’ of Obama, to the criminal that is Trump is just fucking ridiculous.
And that is why I made the point early of that lawsuit in reality being an enhanced Streisand Effect moment. As wikipedia puts it, that is: “is a phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely”.
In this case their attempt at censoring the news (there is very little else this lawsuit is about) leads to even more attention that they will get about items that they did not want others to notice. In this case the sorry lessons they are giving to their sons and daughters about stupid and abusive ways to use the law, and then items like why in heck they think that their athletics division continuing to use a civil war era southern colonel as their logo is still a good idea.
I think some of this might be possible, but I don’t think that your mention of the Streisand Effect is an accurate characterization of this case. The Streisand Effect generally relates to issues that were basically unknown, or known only to a small number of people, and that received massive publicity as a result of efforts to remove the information.
This event, for better or worse, had been the subject of massive, nationwide media attention before the lawsuit was filed. It’s hardly the case that the lawsuit itself has brought it into the public eye in the same way that Streisand’s efforts did. I’m sure the lawsuit helps keep the case in a new a bit longer, but in contrast to Streisand, that’s exactly what it was trying to do. MAGA kid and his family and their lawyers saw an opportunity to ride his 15 minutes of fame even further, so they jumped on it.
You are mostly correct, but I do think however that items like the logo would had been missed as I did because I also thought that the kid was unfairly targeted, so I dropped any interest on checking what else was there. Now, when his family becomes a tool I then decided to look for more of the background and I do think that they did not want others to be aware of things like that, and to find about what Catholic bishops do think about propagandizing for the bigot in chief, that is the contrary of being pro-life when the plight of the refugees is taken into account.
Okay, I guess what it all boils down to, what I’m trying to say:
Just like not all Trump opponents are good people, I don’t believe all Trump supporters are bad people. Just misguided.
I think the WP really dropped the ball here, as did the rest of the media, and owes the Covington students an apology, and more people need to admit they were wrong, rather than doubling down. (As SOME have been.)
If it were me, I don’t think I would’ve sued the Post itself, I probably would’ve gone after the idiots who were harassing me directly – the ones sending in death threats, the ones going after the school, etc.
I’ve said before if ANYONE at Convington was at fault, it was the chaperones. THEY were the adults, they should’ve gotten the kids away. They should’ve told them NOT to wear the hats (no kind of partisan gear, they’re there to represent the school), and they totally dropped the ball.
My father is definitely obsessed, and he’s said a lot of radical things, that, like I said, could probably get him a visit from the secret service. I don’t like Trump either, but after awhile, it gets tiring.
I read Tumblr a lot, mostly for hockey blogs, but if you’re not familiar with Tumblr, its reputation for stupidity is well-deserved.
As for saying, people did this for Obama, they did it for Trump, blah blah – I’m not comparing Obama and Trump, so much as the PEOPLE who overreact to any president. I think Trump is an infested pustule on the butt of humanity. My dad has CNN on 24/7, he’s obsessed with talking about the guy, and the mere sound of the man’s voice (Trump’s, not my dad’s!) grates on my nerves. It’s hard to keep one’s sanity.
This is also the last thing I have to say about any of this – as I said, it’s getting hard to stay sane in the current climate.
