You will not that the vast majority of the planet is miles away from wherever you are. “Miles away” is a bullshit term, used to try and paint the picture of huge distances. In fact, 20 miles takes less than 20 minutes to drive on a highway like US95.
xtisme, so now you’ll throw “unincorporated” into the mix, too, eh? Sure makes a place sound unofficial and “not real”, doesn’t it? The fact that a place is unincorporated means nothing; it’s still a community. People still live and work and play there. Perhaps you’d like to explain why “unincorporated” = “not really there”?
I live in the Las Vegas valley. I don’t think it even comes close to being a wasteland. And I don’t think the hundreds of thousands of people who live in unincorporated parts of Clark County aren’t real, either.
Bo…the place is IN THE FREAKING TEST SITE! The fact that there are only 30-40k residents, nearly 90% of which are no where near the proposed site is what makes your assertion so ludicrous, not the fact that neither town (nor any OTHER town in the county) is incorporated).
Seriously, if you live in Nevada then you know that those little dinky ‘towns’ in the area are just that…freaking dinky. The NTS is, for all intents and purposes the definition of ‘wasteland’.
Again, I have no idea of what point you think you are making with all of this. I didn’t lie. Yucca Mountain isn’t in anyone’s ‘backyard’ by any reasonable definition of that term. The nearest ‘town’ is, by your own admission, over 20 miles away…and the combine populations of those ‘towns’ is a couple of thousand people, tops. And the thing is located in Federal land that has been used for years as a testing site for nuclear weapons and nuclear research.
Do you see any difference between a county that has over a quarter of a million people and one that has less than 40k? Incorporated or not? Do you see any difference between living in a county that isn’t part of a federal nuclear test range and one that, well, is?
whoops…Clark County has a hell of a lot more than 250k people. That should have been a million and a quarter, but looking it up it’s closer to 2 million now.
Neither Beatty nor Amargosa Valley is within the test site. The only “town” that I know of within the borders of the test site is Mercury. Perhaps you should look at that map again.
If I live in Nevada? Are you calling me out to provide proof of where I live? And the point is that a dinky town is still a town. And whether or not a place is incorporated doesn’t mean that it (and the people who live and work there) squat: it’s still a community or people.
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Again, I have no idea of what point you think you are making with all of this. I didn’t lie. Yucca Mountain isn’t in anyone’s ‘backyard’ by any reasonable definition of that term. The nearest ‘town’ is, by your own admission, over 20 miles away…and the combine populations of those ‘towns’ is a couple of thousand people, tops. And the thing is located in Federal land that has been used for years as a testing site for nuclear weapons and nuclear research.
Please quote me where I said either Beatty or Amargosa Valley is over 20 miles away.
The county isn’t part of the test range. The test range is part of the county. That you chose to describe it the way you did says a lot about how you are looking at this issue.
Yeah, I wondered what the reference to a quarter of a million people was all about.
Can I implore you to re-consider what you think you know about the rest of my state, since you were obviously mistaken on that point? I’ll say it again: Nevada is not a wasteland.
Yes? And? What you are quoting there says that Yucca Mountain is in Nye County, and gives the population figures for it. I didn’t claim the towns were in the NTS.
It was a rhetorical ‘if’…unlike you, I’m not calling anyone a liar. As to the point, it should be obvious, but let me spell it out in one sentence…greater good. You seem fixated on the unincorporated thing to the exclusion of all else, so, to spell it out, a couple of thousand people at a low probability of risk in a cite specifically designed to hold the waste is trumped by millions in proximity to temporary storage of waste at the current nuclear power facilities. Incorporated or unincorporated townships have zero bearing on this, regardless of your handwaving.
Sorry…my mistake.
And your comments tell a lot about how you are looking at this issue as well.
Which part of ‘I lived in Nevada for 8 years’ didn’t you understand? Do you want to know my old address? It was a typo…I transposed what I meant to write and didn’t catch it before the edit window ran out.
I notice that you fixated on this, instead of the point I was making, namely that you live in a county of over a million, which is a bit different than a county of less than 40k.
No you claimed that the county was in the NTS, but in fact, it’s the other way around: the NTS is in Nye County.
Actually, I haven’t said a thing about the issue at hand in this thread. All I’ve done is show that the depiction of the area around Yucca Mountain as uninhabited moonscape is false. There are people there. There are towns there. It’s only “miles away from where anyone lives” in the same sense that Yosemite is “miles away from where anyone lives” or Nantucket Island or Primm, Nevada. It’s a clever way to imply that there is nothing around, but it’s not an accurate description.
Ok…if you want to pick nits then that’s cool. The NTS is in the county, the county isn’t the range. And?
Well, you built a strawman as well, since afaik no one claimed the area around Yucca Mountain was ‘as uninhabited moonscape’, but you DID manage to put that strawman down! Want a pat on the back?
Facts is facts. Oh, you might be fooling some East Coast folks who have never ventured west of the Mississippi, or some of our Euro 'dopers who have no concept of what it’s like out here, but you and I both know the reality…don’t we Bo? The only one attempting a clever deception here is thee, not me…but then we both know that too, ehe?
A “typo”? You mean where your fingers slipped and accidently typed “a quarter of a million” instead of “a million and a quarter”? That must be the longest typo in the history of the keyboard.
And in light of the fact that you under-estimated the population of Clark County by more than 500,000 people, yes, I think there’s a lot about the state of Nevada in 2010 that you don’t know. That’s why I asked you to re-consider what you think you know. Obviously, you don’t feel any need to do that. I can’t figure out why you think your conclusions are valid, given that you now know that at least some of what you considered before reaching that conclusion was incorrect, but this seems to be what you’re saying: “Even tho I might have some facts wrong, I’ve still reached the right conclusion.”
Um…yeah. That’s exactly what I said. You don’t see how one could transpose ‘a million and a quarter’ with ‘a quarter million’? Sorry, but it happens to me all the time, which is why my posts are often nearly impossible to decipher. But then I assume you are calling me a ‘liar’ again, despite the fact that I could simply google up the number in about 2 seconds…
I lived in Nevada in the 70’s, Bo. And guess what? I could give two shits whether you believe me or not.
As to your heartfelt plea for me to reconsider…bwahahahahaha! Have you done so in any of the threads on this subject? Ever? Even minutely? No…despite having the facts repeatedly shoved in your face on this issue you remain stubbornly insistent that you are on the path to righteousness…or something. So spare me, ehe? I’m not making a similar appeal to you to try and put aside your obvious prejudice on this issue and look at it rationally, because, frankly, I know it’s a lost cause. You can equally conclude at this point that I am equally a lost cause to your way of thinking on this issue. C’est la vie and all that…
Clearly, you can quote from my link, but I wonder if you read it.
From the part you quoted.
If you can get a radiation dose from fly ash, that means it’s radioactive. Coal ash is a radioactive substance , and coal ash is a waste product. Radioactive + waste = radioactive waste.
Only by a tortured and contrived definition. A whole lot of things are radioactive to incredibly mild levels. Our own freaking bodies bioaccumulate radiation. Basement floors can emit radon, as can rocks underneath them. None of them are “radioactive waste.” It’s a fairly contrived definition that coal ash is “radioactive waste.” We may as well say that any human being who is a waste of time and effort to try to talk to is “radioactive waste.”
This is exactly my point. Just because something is radioactive waste doesn’t make it a Doomy Artifact of Doom. If we can handle those kinds of radioactive issues with shielding techniques and technology we’ve discovered, and we’ve developed techniques and technology to handle radioactive waste from nuclear power plants, then why the sudden lack of confidence in those confinement strategies, when we regularly handle other types of radioactive waste without fear?
Not forever. I read the radioactivity will eventually change the material it is in. This is different. We do not know what happens in 50 , 100 or even more years.
Does it matter? Yucca mountain is still a deep mountain vault, with dangerous materials sealed within nigh-indestructible steel caskets and barriers erected all around it. Plus, nuclear waste, isn’t, like, a vampire or anything. It can’t stalk. It can’t even move by itself. It doesn’t prowl and hunt down people. It just sits there, emitting radiation that ranges from negligible to deadly. Why do you care if there’s radiation thousands of feet below you, specifically contained to dampen the effect?
Getting back to the question at hand, I think the reason that the left is scared of nuclear power is that it’s their center. It’s their Christ, the center of all they believe.
It predates just about everything. Saving the Whales, the spotted owl, population control all are less important than killing the evil that is nuclear power. It’s the one thing they could all agree on. It’s their one rallying point. And now that’s gone. They want global warming to be the new evil de jure, but in order to fully embrace that, they have to embrace the solution, the nukes. And they just can’t do that.
I believe he’s talking neutron embrittlement or something similar.
Neutron embrittlement is where a neutron can knock an iron atom out of a piece of steel this disturbs the crystalline structure and causes the steel to become more brittle. This is a factor in determining the lifetime of reactor vessels.
Also, if an atom absorbs a neutron it becomes an isotope obviously. Then if it beta decays (this emits a beta particle and turns the neutron into a proton) this actually changes it into a different element. This is really only a factor where you have a lot of neutron flux, like in an operating reactor. It shouldn’t have much effect with radioactive waste.
And Gonzo, there’s this thing called “science.” And often it’s used to predict what can happen 50-100 years in the future.
