# Why is the MSM and some in GOP gearing up for a Republican loss already? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080 "2008-10-29T14:33:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/21 "2008-10-29T20:56:37Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I can’t help thinking the Pubs deliberately served up McCain as a sacrificial lamb, knowing there wasn’t any way they could win this election and hoping to regroup for 2012 after it’s over. You could attribute such strategic thinking to party officials and leading pols, but not to the primary voters who put him in. Perhaps it was obvious from the start that **any** Pub nominee this year was going to be a sacrificial lamb, but I seem to recall a lot of competition for the honor nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![Carson\_O\_Genic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Carson\_O\_Genic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carson_O_Genic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/22 "2008-10-29T21:42:49Z")
I don’t know what y’alls is smokin’ but I don’t want any. O ye of little memory! Were it not for Barack Obama, J.McC and Hillary would be in battle right now, and betcher ass EVERY conservative WOULD be going to the polls, there would be no defectors, and there’d be no wilderness wild talk 'cept in the smoky back rooms. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/23 "2008-10-29T21:46:50Z")
Nah, people have said it before. It would make sense if not for the fact that political parties, and most politicians\*, don’t work or think that way, and also the fact that this looked like a pretty close election until maybe mid-September. And it’s still looking relatively close, just not as close as the historically tight elections of 2000 and 2004. \*Some top Democratic candidates decided George Bush was unbeatable in 1992 and didn’t even mount primary campaigns. They will probably be kicking themselves until the day they die, and they’ve made it very unlikely anyone else will make the same error in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/24 "2008-10-29T21:49:38Z")
In their latest effort to accuse Obama of [another dubious association (Rashid Khalidi)](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/campaign.wrap/index.html), the McCain campaign has all but admitted they’re likely to lose: > [@](#): > > Asked why the McCain campaign was bringing the matter up six months after the article appeared, an aide replied, “Because we are one week away from potentially electing Barack Obama.” Desperation is not becoming. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/25 "2008-10-30T00:24:39Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Desperation is not becoming. Apparently the McCain/Palin people don’t realize that the states of Delusion, Denial, and Desperation have no electoral votes. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/26 "2008-10-30T01:13:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > People like Limbaugh and Brulte should be telling Republicans to go vote for Republican Senators and Congressmen and Governors and local officials. Well, Limbaugh is already doing this – he’s been flogging the hell out of the dire spectre of Nancy P and Dingy Harry running the whole country, electing extreme judges, sacrificing little girls, yadaydaydayda. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/27 "2008-10-30T03:18:25Z")
> [@Carson\_O\_Genic](#): > > I don’t know what y’alls is smokin’ but I don’t want any. O ye of little memory! > > Were it not for Barack Obama, J.McC and Hillary would be in battle right now, and betcher ass EVERY conservative WOULD be going to the polls, there would be no defectors, and there’d be no wilderness wild talk 'cept in the smoky back rooms. Are you seriously suggesting Obama is more acceptable to the RW than Hillary?! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/28 "2008-10-30T03:20:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Are you seriously suggesting Obama is more acceptable to the RW than Hillary?! No, I think what he’s saying is that Obama doesn’t come with the built-in hatred that Hillary engendered in Republicans of even moderate stripe. The entire Republican party was praying for a Hillary win in the primaries, because they would have had it a LOT easier against her. Not from any actual defect on her part, but because the rank and file of the party have been conditioned to spit at the mention of her name since 1992. ---
**Author:** ![Carson\_O\_Genic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Carson\_O\_Genic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carson_O_Genic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/29 "2008-10-30T09:59:45Z")
Jayjay pretty much has it. In addition, the moderates and swings, whose ranks I appear to be in, would have united against Hillary. My vote against her not because of capability or planking but rather a perception that her strong polarising is not what the country needs. No, I don’t think her villification is justified. Obama has had great appeal, obviously, but even into the GOP intelligentsia, which is having a divide and conquer effect. So, ironically, yes, Obama has greater appeal to (some of) the RW than McCain/Palin. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/30 "2008-10-30T10:26:07Z")
> [@Carson\_O\_Genic](#): > > Jayjay pretty much has it. In addition, the moderates and swings, whose ranks I appear to be in, would have united against Hillary. My vote against her not because of capability or planking but rather a perception that her strong polarising is not what the country needs. No, I don’t think her villification is justified. > Obama has had great appeal, obviously, but even into the GOP intelligentsia, which is having a divide and conquer effect. So, ironically, yes, Obama has greater appeal to (some of) the RW than McCain/Palin. Absolutely. According to one poll, Obama is getting 20% of self-described conservative votes. I am a conservative, and I may vote for Obama. Hillary? No way. I would have McCain campaign materials all over my house and car.. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080/31 "2008-10-30T10:54:07Z")
> [@Carson\_O\_Genic](#): > > Jayjay pretty much has it. In addition, the moderates and swings, whose ranks I appear to be in, would have united against Hillary. My vote against her not because of capability or planking but rather a perception that her strong polarising is not what the country needs. No, I don’t think her villification is justified. > Obama has had great appeal, obviously, but even into the GOP intelligentsia, which is having a divide and conquer effect. So, ironically, yes, Obama has greater appeal to (some of) the RW than McCain/Palin. If Hillary had won the primaries it wouldn’t even be McCain/Palin, it might just have been McCain/Romney which would be a lot more formidable at this point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-the-msm-and-some-in-gop-gearing-up-for-a-republican-loss-already/470080.md?page=1)