Oh, I know that it isn’t true, but it seems to be Cyros’ proposal. I don’t see the public policy of making a grandparent support his 35 year old “child”'s children.
Hey, maybe we could not treat the lives of children as punishment of anybody, but instead make sure that all children who come into the world are consciously chosen by people who are financially and emotionally prepared to care for them!
What a sane policy that any reasonable person would support. What a tragedy that reasonable people are so hard to find in the Obama administration or its fanbase.
Oh! Whooshy me. I thought he was claiming that’s how it is. My bad. 
Best $400.00 I ever spent.
Buy him some condoms.
“Use one if you have sex. I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it.”
If a parent has the responsibility to green light contraceptive choices then I believe they should bear legal responsibility for the results of their choices.
If the child is able to take responsibility for their own contraceptive choices then they can bear full responsibility for the results.
But there is an exception for collecting evidence of abuse, which would likely fit the scenario we were discussing. Also, Planned Parenthood’s website seems to say they would give it to teenagers with a quick nurse visit.
How is getting a prescription for contraception “collecting evidence of abuse”?
Reasonable people are difficult to find anywhere.
The hypothetical that we were discussing was what an under 15 year-old girl being raped by her dad would do. That exception would, I believe, allow her to be seen without parental consent.
OK, so I guess you advocate that minors, or maybe just those under 15 shouldn’t be able to buy any over the counter drugs. No Tylenol, no cough syrup, no Imodium , no Benadryl. All of which can legally be sold to minors, even those under 15. As can non-prescription contraceptives such as condoms, foam and sponges. It is literally only Plan B that is over-the-counter for those over a certain age and prescription only for those under that age. And by way, requiring a prescription doesn’t necessarily mean the parents will have a say- in my state , minors can consent to reproductive health care (including contraception) and specific other types of care on their own. All that requiring a prescription for Plan B does here is make it more expensive .
I don’t think you can get a “piercing”(as in body jewelry) IN your vagina. The labia or clitoris, yes, but IN the vagina? that would be a new one on me.
and when did 13 year olds become legally able to get body mods, tats and piercings without parental consent? granted I’m an old fart but I had to wait until 16 to get my ears pierced.
and no one is mentioning the fact that there are a lot of poor kids out there trying to raise themselves because their parents are never home, drunk or stoned or flat out don’t give a shit. Janie could say “mommy I want to be on the pill” and mommy would say no way! I need that money for dope! and then Janie is preggers and probably winds up like her mom.
I see this shit in multiple generations in my neighborhood. I am ALL for Janie mowing lawns or shoveling snow (or getting her boyfriend to do it or at least help) and get those pills and increase her chance of staying in school and having a better life.
you’d be amazed at the kids who can make better decisions than their parents. How can you not support someone trying to be responsible?
birth control in the water supply, passing basic parenting classes and community service hours dealing with juveniles delinquents before you get the free antidote.
I’d vote for it.
Right, because there’s no way deliberately poisoning the populace will backfire at all.
Such an argument could be used to remove any role of a parent over his/her children. “Well, we don’t need those quarterly parent-teacher conferences at school. Some parents are too drunk to attend, so what’s the point?”
Because some parents have abrogated their responsibilities doesn’t mean that all parents should be stripped of their basic rights.
Further, your solution to the problem is a meager band-aid. If a girl has to live with parents who are never home, habitually intoxicated, sexually assault her, or just plain don’t care, that child has much bigger problems than over the counter access to contraception.
Forcing someone else to have a child is not a “basic right.”
A better analogy would be if there was a law that stipulated that no child could attend school unless their parent attended such conferences.
True, but those problems are going to made worse by an order of magnitude with a baby in the picture.
I normally support the president’s policies. I voted for him, and I don’t regret it. That said, on this issue, he’s wrong.
No one should ever need someone else’s permission to not have a child.
Just to put a nail into the coffin of this idea, the Safeway across the street had condoms on open shelves, with no age restriction signs. Anyone can pick them up and go through self checkout. Alcohol is also on shelves, but there are large signs at checkout giving age restrictions. Maybe Safeway is violating the law - but I doubt it.
Cite? We have two daughters, and my wife has a Masters in reproductive physiology, so she is the expert in this area. What we did was to put our kids on birth control pills long before they needed them, with the excuse of regulating their periods. In that way when they did decide to have sex without our permission they were protected. Period. I rather doubt it changed anything, but it meant no scares.
Access to contraception without our knowledge would be fine - but given that humans are human, it is much better to provide it automatically. That is really the only rational course for someone not hung up about their kids’ sexuality.