Reread “same work”.
Here you go…
Median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers by detailed occupation and sex
Yep, and here is another report:
To take context into account, some democrats claimed back then that the difference was 77 to 79 cents.
What I do remember on previous discussions is that there was an exaggeration in the past when Democratic politicians claimed that the big gap for all women vs men was applicable when both men and women were doing the same job, the difference there is significantly less at lower paying jobs that are paid hourly, but it is more misleading OTOH to imply that there is or was no difference there. And the difference between men and woman is still higher when there are jobs dominated traditionally by men.
If there was a conspiracy here is the one that has the right wing media telling their readers or viewers that there is/was no salary gap and that the liberals are trying to fool them.
Funny, WillF:
“I can’t believe the libs believe in this nonsense conspiracy stuff!”
…
“Okay, there was actually a conspiracy, but that was just that one time!”
(my paraphrase)
Right wingers do tend to indulge in a higher quantity of conspiracy theories. A lot of their interest seems to be for the pure enjoyment. CTs are a fun pastime.
With leftists, when they buy a conspiracy theory, they take it to the grave. They will base entire political movements around CTs. They will devote university resources to encouraging them. They will erect entire academic fields of study to them. It is really something to watch. Right wingers will blog about CTs. Left wingers organize political parties around them.
Same amount of work is implied by “same work”. Men work much more hours/week than women. If you would like to try again, I suggest you start another thread or resurrect a related one. The moderators sometimes frown on hijacks like this.
Like how the U.S. men’s national soccer team works so many more hours in order to achieve worse results, but gets paid more because THERE’S NO CONSPIRACY AGAINST WOEMN!
Perhaps you misunderstand my take on CTs. There are plenty of actual successful conspiracies. A CT is one that takes a fact in need of explanation, similar to the facts Mr. Turbo has posted, and then spins a web of undocumented global intrigue.
Yes if you cannot tell the difference between the feasibility of a local conspiracy among landed quasi-feudal aristocracy in the 19th century and a supposed conspiracy in the highly integrated global capitalistic marketplace, I cannot help you. You will find that completely contradictory beliefs can exist alongside one another in a CT believer’s head. For example, “Capitalists will stop at nothing to milk every drop of profit from labor.” And “Capitalists put aside profit to engage in a plot to disenfranchise women.”
If you think exercising and practicing soccer 50 hours/week and generating $200000 in ad revenue is equal to exercising and practicing soccer 50 hours/week and generating $20000 in ad revenue, perhaps you also believe that it is a conspiracy that full time sandcastle builders are not paid the same as full-time skyscraper builders.
The U.S. women’s team brings in more revenue than the men’s team. The women are the skyscraper builders, to use this misogynistic analogy.
I read the article and Coler brags about duping people into believing" how customers in Colorado marijuana shops were using food stamps to buy pot."
The problem is that there have been dozens of legitimate news stories about the misuse of food stamp benefits. Why would anyone not believe the story?
Beyond that, this guy targets conservatives with web addresses like washingtonpost.co.co. This is a form of fraud. Perhaps, conservatives aren’t so credulous about conspiracy theories, but liberals feel the moral authority to target them?
“Ohio Strip Club Loses License After Accepting Food Stamps for Lap Dances, Hard Drugs”
Oddly enough, antivaxers who use this excuse (and they’re from various points on the political spectrum) don’t reject insulin, antibiotics and other vital medications because Big Pharma Has Done Bad Things.
Based on what he said, it is a fun pastime for **WillFarnaby **
I just saw this story. I guess Fake News is at least tangentially related to CTs.
Yeah I guess the fact that entrepreneurs make errors is grounds for global conspiracy now.
Too many “errors”…
And it is not really a conspiracy, there is a lot of it in the open and social pressures are there too. So, again it is framed as a conspiracy mostly by right wing sources that tell their people that it is a “conspiracy from the left” and that everything is fine, do not bother to make changes… /s
You make a good case that leftists (just like anyone else) are willing to uncritically accept factoids that support their pre-existing worldview. But that’s very different from a conspiracy theory. Whatever one might say about the left’s naive fixation on “women only make 74 cents for every dollar that men make”, and I agree that it’s a “fact” that people on the left have tended to bandy about uncritically, it’s hardly a conspiracy theory. There aren’t websites where people are discussing how that fact is really true, but the powers that be are trying to suppress it. I’ve never seen a debate about the topic that was like:
A: Women are paid 74 cents for every dollar that men are paid
B: Actually, the situations a lot more complex than that, here are some cites
A: Your cites come from research studies funded by (name of shadowy powerful organization here) and therefore can’t be trusted
It seems like you’re trying to make an argument something like:
-If capitalism was working perfectly, nothing would ever be unfair
-Leftists claim that something is unfair
-The only way that it could be unfair, if capitalism was working perfectly, would be a massive conspiracy
-Haha, gotcha ya, leftists are conspiracy theorists! Just like pizzagate and truthers!
Which is stupid for two reasons. (1) It’s entirely possible for things to be unfair under capitalism for any number of reasons. I dare you to travel back to the 1950s, find an ambitious woman who is vastly overqualified for every job she’s offered, and tell her she’s just imagining it and actually isn’t qualified, because of course if she WAS qualified someone would hire her, or someone else would start a new company that would hire her, because capitalism. And (2) as discussed above, believing something that is false doesn’t make one a conspiracy theorist, even if the most logical way that false thing could be true would be a conspiracy, if one doesn’t actually believe in the conspiracy.
And “President Y is going to cancel the election” has probably been a thing since 1801, so saying that counts as an actual conspiracy theory is pushing the definition beyond what it is trying to convey.