Identifying themselves after the first shot would have been an exercise in futility. Unless he was using a .22, the only thing he would hear was a ringing in his ears. Guns are LOUD, and being inside only compounds the issue.
Not a fan of no-knock warrants, but I don’t see them going away until somebody important winds up dead because of one. Random John Q Citizen doesn’t rate. Not until several hundreds are piled up anyway.
I was hoping that the death of the assholes breaking in would be the beginning of the end for no-knock warrants, but apparently not.
Little Nemo posted a link to a story, but if you google “burglars impersonating police” (without quotes) you get quite a few hits.
Actually, shouting “police!” does constitute identifying themselves, sometimes. Even with Knock and Announce warrants, the time between the announcement and the forced entry is not subject to a lot of rigor. It could be a minute, it could be seconds. It’s dependent on the circumstances and what is deemed a sufficient amount of time.
There’s never a shortage of people who want the gun and the badge, so a few getting killed here and there makes no difference. Until enough of them get shot serving such warrants that they collectively refuse to do it any more, nothing will change.
Unfortunately this sentiment is more true than not. I think your warning was unwarranted in this case.
There is one dead police officer and 3 injured in this incident. You would think at some point the police would start asking whether it’s worth risking their lives breaking into homes in the middle of the night, often based on the word of crimminals, on the off chance that they might catch someone with coke or pot.
I just wanted to highlight this, so people will remember what kind of poster you are.
What kind is that?
My new home invasion clothes:
The problem seems to be the police are not putting the blame where it belongs - on a poorly conceived and highly risky procedure. Instead when the procedure gets somebody killed - police or resident - the blame is placed on the resident for not correctly following the procedure he’s unaware he’s involved in. And it’s not really fair to blame the police officers on the scene either. This isn’t some Ferguson scenario where an officer acts unprofessionally. The police breaking into a house on a no-knock warrant are doing what they were told to do. The problem is the procedure itself.
Well, yeah, they do ask that all the time.
And the answer they provide to the question is MORE military force, such as the use of grenades.
That’s true, sadly. Assuming they (the lowly policeman manning the battering ram) have no voice in the decision to invade houses, I guess their only real option is to ask for more armor and firepower to get the job done. But their bosses, or the judges handing out the warrents, should grow a pair and start questioning whether the risks (officiers and civilians killed) are worth the rewards (pot smokers behind bars.)
That is clearly untrue. They are not robots, and are fully capable of refusing such an order.
And the best part is they only have to refuse an order once and they’ll never have to face such a situation again.
Yeah, but what are the odds that a criminal would have one of those? It costs like $30!!
I can’t answer that.
“Direct personal insults of other posters and “flaming” are not permitted in Great Debates.”
This is a silly way to avoid what you were insinuating. Why not just say directly,* ‘based on your post XYZ, I believe you are the type of poster that ABC’*.
Here, I’ll go first. Based on your post #78, I believe you are hiding behind coy rhetoric to avoid addressing the substance of post #66. That being that the costs of these raids do not outweigh the perceived benefit - until they do, they will continue.
Did you think that post #66 was calling for, encouraging, or expressing support for shooting police?
what part of his post was offensive ? he’s absolutely right … they’ll start changing their procedures only when they see that an inordinate amount of officers are getting killed constantly in these no knock(should be illegal)break ins