the Victorians used a variant of the term affectionately, romantically, as “cunny.” I’ve always thought that was sweet. In that sort of context, there’s no harm and some beauty in the C word.
your humble TubaDiva
No, I don’t own a pornograph, why do you ask?
I realize that pldennnison. As you say, however, the word “cunt” is qualified as usually obscene, whereas “dick” and “cock” are not (instead the dictionary describes them as vulgar), so even in the meaning used in the thread, there is a difference in degree between the word used for the female genitalia and the ones cited as an example for the male organ.
Getting back to the subject at hand, here’s my way of thinking. To describe a certain object (be it a human body part or something else), I have the choice between two words: word A is commonly considered unobjectionable; word B can be interpreted as being disparaging, and in the context is considered obscene. Which word would I, Arnold Winkelried, choose to use on a public message board? I would use word A. Would I, Arnold Winkelried, think it unreasonable to ask people, in a public forum where posters are expected to eschew insults, to refrain from using word B, and instead use word A? I would not think it unreasonable. Would I object if someone changed word B to word A? No.
[Edited by Arnold Winkelried on 07-17-2001 at 05:25 PM]
Isn’t the power of a word in the listener rather than the speaker? I used the “C” word as an example of this in my frosh English classes, meaning that if I say the word in casual conversation with no disparaging intent (Nah, I didn’t fuck her up the ass, I just fucked her cunt), then the only offensiveness is in the prejudice of the receiver of the sound.
But it’s only a sound. If you allow it to have power over you, then you’re giving that power away. Remember, it’s only a sound! Aren’t we all unignorant enough to keep that in mind? Haven’t we all read our Eco?
The power of a word is in a listener, but it also helps reveal the intent of the speaker. If I went to a message board and saw thread titles of the type
“Cornholing - how do I do it?”
“Who wants some pussy now?”
“Are unshaved clits better?”
“Nigger women vs. gooks - who fucks best?”
etc…
I would think that the people frequenting that message board are a bunch of boorish idiots, and I wouldn’t go back. So trying to maintain some standards
a) helps attract the kind of posters we like to see at the SDMB, and
b) helps turn away the kind of posters we don’t like to see here.
Note - the above are examples of things not to do. Now that I’ve posted that, I’m having second thoughts, so I’ll ask TubaDiva to review my wording. :o
Although I have no problem with toning down language on the boards, I do think that some of those who are so “offended” by this word should ask themselves why, and perhaps go see a local showing of the Vagina Monologues. Is it wrong for women to use slang to refer to their own bodies? It seems to me that the “offense” this word elicits when used in this context, is primarily that our traditionally puritanical, patriarchal society expects women to be dainty, never vulgar, nonsexual virgins afraid of enjoying or acknowledging their own bodies. Thus, a crude and strong word like that encroaches on masculine territory and offends those uncomfortable with sexual themes.
I wouldn’t use that word myself, but don’t see how it is any more offensive than the masculine equivalents when it is not being used to degrade or objectify someone.
Also, doesn’t the word vulva refer to that region? it is not offensive and is certainly better understood than “pudendum.”
And incorrectly, at that. Frankly, if you have to wax (or shave) your vagina, you really need to consider suing the surgeon who did your sex change operation. That’s the only way I can think of, besides a tumor of some sort, for there ever to be hair growing out of one’s vagina.
Well, shit. Do you honestly think they teach words like pudendum in Dutch high school English? I was looking for a nice cover-all term that didn’t offend. Vagina it was, after a good three seconds of thought.
AHunter3 - Believe it or not, but I used my “shaved” example to show that the posters at my hypothetical message board were not too bright, in addition to being vulgar.
jarbabyj - Didn’t your mother tell you to watch out for the quiet ones?
MaceMan - I made my personal judgement by looking up the word in the dictionary. But your topic may be of interest in Great Debates.
Coldfire - methinks you need to suggest an addition to the dutch high school curriculum.
AHunter3, I am saying that I personally would not be interested in hanging out at a message board with an unintelligent membership that uses obscene or offensive language. I am also saying that the words used by a person can give an indication of the intelligence and/or prejudices of that person.