# Why is Trump supporting, and McConnell opposing, the $2,000 stimulus checks? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 31, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319 "2020-12-31T03:49:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/41 "2021-01-01T21:14:16Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think the Republicans are against it because they don’t like giving money away. Unless it is for [tax breaks for yacht purchases](https://navigare-yachting.com/en/blog/tax-strategies-for-yacht-buyers) That kind of giveaway is perfectly good. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/42 "2021-01-01T22:31:11Z")
> [@Salem](#): > > there is also the possibility that all the Trumpers will “give back” to Trump when they get their money. He can put out another email blast to get more donations and make it clear that it is HIS name on that $2000 check, so in a sense, they really OWE him some of that money Oh, but count on it. Hell, right now people who can’t really afford it are sending money supposedly for the election cases which actually goes first to campaign accounts. Once they have more money “from Trump” they’ll quickly send him even more. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/43 "2021-01-01T22:42:40Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised at all that the current occupant of the Oval Office truly believes that this is a way to bribe, er, convince the Supreme Court to issue orders to flip his election losses, and especially to order the veep to decertify the actual electoral votes and thus declare him as the winner of the 2020 election. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/44 "2021-01-01T23:18:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I disagree. The payments are not for people who have lost income per se; they are to stimulate the economy. Why wouldn’t someone who makes $75,000 use it to stimulate the economy? In many areas, $75,000 is barely middle-class. While recipients at the higher income levels might not need a couple of extra kilobucks, there is no reason to believe they would just bank it. They’re likely to spend it (and possibly more than that, spurred on by the bonus), which helps people at lower income levels. This. I’m sure there are some who look at a $2k tax return or lottery win and say “I’m just going to put this into my 401k, and see that sweet sweet windfall in 25 years!”, but the implication that this will be a common response isn’t borne out by statistics on current spending/saving habits of Americans. Extra, un-needed money? That gets spent. Or encourages spending that otherwise might not have happened. If there’s one thing America does not have, it’s a problem with saving too much money. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/45 "2021-01-01T23:53:25Z")
I think there will be in the future a $2.000 stimulus check and it will pass. It will be tied to mandated vaccines and biometric ID being implemented. The ID by whatever name it ends up being called, will have vaccine records, access to your health records, SS, Medicare, SSI, SSA DOD SBP, Parole, Credit scores, Banking, school records, utilities. Eventually everything IOT. AI is further advanced than most people realize. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/46 "2021-01-02T00:25:57Z")
Given that its been 15 years and Real ID hasn’t been fully implemented yet, I wouldn’t expect a project like that to roll out in this century. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/47 "2021-01-02T00:47:06Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > I think there will be in the future a $2.000 stimulus check and it will pass. I like your optimism regarding the Georgia US Senate runoff elections! ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/48 "2021-01-02T00:51:23Z")
Remember ID 2020? Guess what? It was passed Dec 28th 2020 DHS Modernizes Critical Identification Requirements after Congress Passes REAL ID Modernization Act Here’s what you need to know, the October 1, 2021 is the enforcement deadline. What else you need to know is there. "The Act also helps lay the groundwork for future REAL ID-compliant mobile/digital driver’s licenses to individuals holding a valid REAL ID compliant physical DL/ID. The Act also provides some immediate relief by allowing applicants to provide their social security number without having to bring in a separate document containing the social security number during the application process. Finally, to further publicize upcoming REAL ID requirements, aircraft operators and third-party reservation entities must begin notifying airline travelers of REAL ID enforcement starting 90 days before the enforcement deadline. To date, all 50 states, three territories, and the District of Columbia have issued more than 114 million REAL ID-compliant driver’s licenses and identification cards, representing 42 percent of all driver’s licenses and identification card holders. Only 10 months remain until the October 1, 2021 REAL ID full enforcement deadline goes into effect at all federally regulated airports, federal facilities, and nuclear power plants. The Department continues to urge Americans to obtain a REAL ID-compliant card or acceptable alternative, such as a U.S. passport or passport card prior to the October 1, 2021 enforcement deadline. > **[DHS Modernizes Critical Identification Requirements after Congress Passes...](https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/news/2020/12/28/dhs-modernizes-critical-identification-requirements-after-congress-passes)** > > As a result of extensive state, industry, and government collaboration, Congress has passed the bipartisan REAL ID Modernization Act. The Act modernizes REAL ID requirements originally set more than 15 years ago. * * * Let’s do a deep dive shall we? “ID2020, a US-registered 501(c)(3) based in New York, NY, is the Secretariat for the Alliance. As such, ID2020 is responsible and accountable for day-to-day operations, including: raising money to fund digital ID projects, coordinating with implementing partners for project implementation, setting and managing technical standards, monitoring and evaluation, legal and financial management and administration of the governance system. Management of these activities is the responsibility of ID2020’s Executive Director.” [[https://id2020.org/alliance](https://id2020.org/alliance)] ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/49 "2021-01-02T01:01:54Z")
So what about it? ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/50 "2021-01-02T01:09:48Z")
I’m sure that y’all remember these names: [![](https://id2020.org/uploads/icons/PartnerLogo-GAVI.png) ](https://id2020.org/uploads/icons/PartnerLogo-GAVI.png) Make sure you check GAVI out! 🙂 Let me Google that link for you: > **[The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation](https://www.gavi.org/operating-model/gavis-partnership-model/bill-melinda-gates-foundation)** > > Gates Foundation pledged US$ 750 million to set up Gavi in 1999. > > The Foundation is a key Gavi partner in vaccine market shaping. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation "Gates Foundation pledged US$ 750 million to set up Gavi in 1999. The Foundation is a key Gavi partner in vaccine market shaping." ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/51 "2021-01-02T01:40:56Z")
We’re all familiar with the: " VA’s health information exchange (HIE) work.: > **[VA.gov | Veterans Affairs](https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=5425)** > > Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more. **The joint HIE is an enhanced network of private sector providers across the United States who have agreed to securely share clinical information** with DOD and VA providers. The joint HIE enhances the ability of DOD and VA providers to quickly and securely access patient electronic health information from participating private sector providers and vice versa to help providers make more informed treatment decisions." * * * When will Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP onboard? ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/52 "2021-01-02T01:57:33Z")
These should get you informed. > **[VA.gov | Veterans Affairs](https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=5425)** > > Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more. > **[Federal Electronic Health Record Connects With More Community Partners](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2380447/federal-electronic-health-record-connects-with-more-community-partners/)** > > The Defense Department, Department of Veterans Affairs and Coast Guard have significantly expanded their joint health information exchange network with the private sector after connecting with the > **[Home - CommonWell Health Alliance](https://www.commonwellalliance.org/)** > > CommonWell is driving health data exchange to help improve care coordination and health outcomes nationwide. > How to Participate > Health IT vendors, provider organizations and government agencies all have key roles in improving data exchange. Join ... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/53 "2021-01-02T02:05:53Z")
Electronic Health Records are not the mark of the beast. New to the boards? Welcome. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/54 "2021-01-02T02:19:46Z")
Is this deep state something or other? Which reminds me: pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/55 "2021-01-02T02:23:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Which reminds me: pizza. Don’t go to the basement. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/56 "2021-01-02T03:01:11Z")
Thank ya for the welcome 🙂 I’m not new, longtime lurker and occasional poster. Never said they were the mark of the beast. Some of it is all right but our privacy is long gone. You know Google AI has vested interest in your healthcare? “There are numerous companies that are frontrunners in this area, including IBM Watson and Google’s Deep Mind. These companies have shown that their AI can beat humans in selected tasks and activities including chess, Go, and other games. Both IBM Watson and Google’s Deep Mind are currently being used for many healthcare-related applications. IBM Watson is being used to investigate for diabetes management, advanced cancer care and modeling, and drug discovery, but has yet to show clinical value to the patients. Deep Mind is also being looked at for applications including mobile medical assistant, diagnostics based on medical imaging, and prediction of patient.” deterioration [ .it impossible to get youtube url. So go to youtube or bitchute search "AI Medical database, Google, Project Nightingale. "America’s data privacy laws aren’t bad so much as they’re nonexistent. There’s no general federal data privacy law at all, and only a few states have attempted to pass meaningful legislation on the topic. While laws like HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) do have something to say about who is allowed to access patient medical records without the patient’s consent, it’s clear now that even this law is woefully inadequate to the privacy challenges of the 21st century. Google has a deal with the second-largest health-care systems in the United States, Ascension, to gather and crunch data on millions of Americans across 21 states, according to the [_Wall Street Journal_](https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-s-secret-project-nightingale-gathers-personal-health-data-on-millions-of-americans-11573496790?mod=hp_lead_pos3). The initiative is codenamed “Project Nightingale,” and is described as “the largest in a series of efforts by Silicon Valley giants to gain access to personal health data and establish a toehold in the massive health-care industry.” Amazon and Microsoft are also described as muscling into the medical industry, though apparently they have yet to strike deals quite this large." ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/57 "2021-01-02T03:21:48Z")
**sshh1313** , you’re taking this thread way off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/58 "2021-01-02T03:35:09Z")
Quit trying to push all of the other conservative posters off of the board with your junior modding. There’s plenty of room for all. ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/59 "2021-01-02T04:42:06Z")
My apologies for hijacking but 1 comment about Mitch and well here we are. I may not be spot on on every link. This is not ‘Deep State’ Qnon b.s… This real check out all the news about The HEALTHCARE MODERNIZATION ACT brought to you complements of you know who… Important info on the link save it! Learn! — [Surveillance and Data](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/index.html) - [Strategies for Improvement](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/index.html)[plus icon](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/data-IT-transformation.html#nav-group-6d44e) - [Projects](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/index.html)[plus icon](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/data-IT-transformation.html#nav-group-ce89e) - [Data Modernization Initiative Catalog of Data Resources](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/dmi/index.html)[plus icon](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/data-IT-transformation.html#nav-group-2a615) - [National Neurological Conditions Surveillance System](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/neurology/index.html) - [Public Health Data Modernization Initiative](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/data-IT-transformation.html)[plus icon](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/data-IT-transformation.html#nav-group-3c34d) - [Modernizing for New and Complex Threats](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/surveillance-data-strategies/Modernizing-for-Threats.html) - [Bridging Public Health And Health Care](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/bridging-public-health-and-health-care-better-exchange-better-data.html) - [Improving Surveillance and Data](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/Improving-Disease-Surveillance.html) - [Connecting Real Time Data](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/Connecting-Real-Time-Data.html) - [Revolutionizing Public Health Data Systems](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/Revolutionizing-Public-Health-Data-Systems.html) - [Moving Lab Reporting At The Speed Of Light](https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/projects/Moving-Lab-Reporting-at-the-Speed-of-Light-Electronic-Reporting.html) You might want to save these links not GAVI …Well if Biden rejoins the UN then we would be able to get cheaper vaccines through GAVI, then we would have obligations. Speaking of the UN reminds me of 'The Atlantic Council videos on guess what? Data Goverence and a direct quote :,“for more equitable ways of sharing the profits of data among different stakeholders,” . You can see the videos directly from the link. “These include community approaches to oversee how data is used to benefit people, as well as data trusts (also known as data commons or data cooperatives). Data trusts represent legal, technology-enabled constructs that allow for more equitable ways of sharing the profits of data among different stakeholders, transforming the data economy from something that happens “to people” towards a collaborative effort “with people”. These new efforts in data governance and trust must be tailored to specific community and regional needs to avoid a “one size fits all” approach, and must involve multiple sectors to be successful.” > **[Upcoming events](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/events/#allevents)** > > We convene in Washington DC, internationally, and virtually to inspire global engagement and to shape solutions to the defining challenges of our times. Through small, focused events and larger public gatherings, we inform and build connections.... ^^^Sign up for the meeting via youtube. ^o ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319/60 "2021-01-02T04:45:13Z")
_ **Moderating** _ There is a whole lotta hijacking going on in here. shh1313, let’s drop all of the Gates foundation/VA/electronic health records/biometric/ImsureImissedsome … Stuff. It’s not relevant to this thread. No warning issued. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trump-supporting-and-mcconnell-opposing-the-2-000-stimulus-checks/929319.md?page=4)