# Why is Trump's comment about not losing voters if he were to shoot someone bother anyone? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 11, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669 "2017-06-11T04:35:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/21 "2017-06-11T17:55:52Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > I think most people would consider the actions described in the Access Hollywood tape to be at least as reprehensible as consensual extramarital oral sex. There are plenty of good reasons as to whether or not Clinton should be criticized for the Lewinsky affair. The fact that someone might have done something worse is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/22 "2017-06-11T18:01:01Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > If DT were to actually follow through on his 5th avenue claims, I’m pretty sure his base would turn on him. > > Yes, they are loyal, but they ain’t that fucking loyal. Geez! I know at least one person that loyal, and he’d give Trump a medal if the target was Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/23 "2017-06-11T18:09:11Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > When Democrat sitting President Bill Clinton got a blow job in the White House, his numbers among his base hardly moved. And he didn’t just _say_, " If I got a blow job from a White House intern, I wouldn’t lose any of my voters". > > He actually DID get a blow job from a young female intern AND LIED about it on national TV. > > And even today he is worshiped by feminists as a great political leader. > > All Trump did was joke about shooting some one and the Left goes crazy. He never DID anything of the sort. > > Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaults a young female intern under his authority and the Left is silent. > > Imagine, just imagine, a Republican President sexually assaulting a young female intern in the White House. The hue and cry from the Left would be deafening and that President would be banished from the political scene _forever_. > > The hypocrisy of the Left. I’m very tired of this false insistence that liberal feminists are okay with Bill Clinton getting blow jobs from a young intern in the White House. No, Bill’s behavior was extremely jerkish and unbecoming. I for one am sorry that I was skeptical of some of Bill’s early accusers, since in retrospect it’s obvious that he was a horndog all along who didn’t respect women’s boundaries. Nor am I apoplectic about Trump’s “I could shoot someone and my supporters wouldn’t care” statement, in particular. It’s merely one in a long string of boastful comments he’s made. Like many of his statements, it serves to illustrate what a boor he is. Given a choice between an intelligent asshole who shares my political views and who has some grasp of how to govern, versus an ignorant narcissist with views diametrically opposed to my own who is clueless about how government works, my opinion of the former will always be much higher. If that’s hypocritical, I guess I’ll just have to live with myself somehow. . ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/24 "2017-06-11T18:27:58Z")
What Clinton did was fucked up, but was it assault? My memory of the incident was that the act was not only consensual, but Lewinsky was quite smitten with herself at the time it happened. I remember her giggling to herself in an interview with Katie Couric (??, or whoever it was) when she recounted the time she lifted up her skirt to show Bill her panties. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/25 "2017-06-11T18:33:33Z")
The most amazing thing about that quote is that the quote alone didn’t lose him any support. He is mocking his supporters for their blind loyalty, and they somehow see that as a complement. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/26 "2017-06-11T18:36:15Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > What Clinton did was fucked up, but was it assault? > My memory of the incident was that the act was not only consensual, but Lewinsky was quite smitten with herself at the time it happened. I remember her giggling to herself in an interview with Katie Couric (??, or whoever it was) when she recounted the time she lifted up her skirt to show Bill her panties. How could it be assault. A grown hetro woman likes a blow job from time to time: hold the front page. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/27 "2017-06-11T19:23:27Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > When Democrat sitting President Bill Clinton got a blow job in the White House, his numbers among his base hardly moved. And he didn’t just _say_, " If I got a blow job from a White House intern, I wouldn’t lose any of my voters". > > He actually DID get a blow job from a young female intern AND LIED about it on national TV. > > And even today he is worshiped by feminists as a great political leader. > > All Trump did was joke about shooting some one and the Left goes crazy. He never DID anything of the sort. > > Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaults a young female intern under his authority and the Left is silent. > > Imagine, just imagine, a Republican President sexually assaulting a young female intern in the White House. The hue and cry from the Left would be deafening and that President would be banished from the political scene _forever_. > > The hypocrisy of the Left. Monica Lewinsky was about 22 when she had sex with Bill Clinton. Yes there was an age difference and it was inappropriate because he was her boss. But she was a willing participant in what happened and consented eagerly. A woman can have sex or do porn once she turns 18, and Monica was 22. How does what happened between Bill and Monica count as sexual assault when Monica was over 18 and a willing participant? Just because something is inappropriate doesn’t make it sexual assault. If you want an example of Bill Clinton and sexual assault, Juanita Broaddrick is a better example. Trump has a long list of sexual assault allegations though. Multiple accusations of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, etc and it didn’t even make a dent in his ability to run for president and win. > **[Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations)** > > Donald Trump, the president of the United States from 2017 to 2021, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. In June 2019, writer E. Jean Carroll alleged in New York magazine that Trump raped her in a department store dressing room in 1995 or 1996. Two friends of Carroll stated that Carroll had previously confided in them about the incident. Trump called the allegation fiction and deni... ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/28 "2017-06-11T19:34:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Like they say, if reality is not in line with your premises, doubt your premises, not reality. Prior to last November, I would have agreed with you. Assuming Trump actually said this (and it does sound like something he would say) it’s probably because he’s aware of the low morality and the blind-eyed devotion of the people who voted for him, and he’s mocking them for their foolishness. Keep in mind, the last Republican President was someone who declared war on a sovereign nation for completely trumped-up (heh) reasons, leading to the deaths of over 500,000 innocent civilians and sowing the seeds of the most radical, most deadly terrorist organization in human history. He went on TV a mere six months after 9/11 and told the American people, in a nutshell: “I don’t know where Osama bin Laden is, and I don’t care!” He told California to go fuck itself while his buddies at Enron raped the state of its electricity supply (and look how it turned out for them…) And yet, G.W.B. was not only re-elected in 2004, he received more votes that year than the election that stole him the office four years earlier. > [@Mangosteen](#): > > Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaults a young female intern under his authority and the Left is silent. > > Imagine, just imagine, a Republican President sexually assaulting a young female intern in the White House. The hue and cry from the Left would be deafening and that President would be banished from the political scene _forever_. > > The hypocrisy of the Left. Thank you for proving my point. For your information, NO ONE (not even the ultra-right) claims that Bill Clinton actually assaulted anyone, it was a completely consentual affair. It’s Trump who’s bragged, **“Grab 'em by the pussy!”** Not that I expect any of these facts to sink in, after all it’s people like you who still call Iraq “Obama’s War.” :rolleyes: Hypocrisy? Republicans hold the patent on that term. Use it with care. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/29 "2017-06-11T20:19:44Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > When Democrat sitting President Bill Clinton got a blow job in the White House, his numbers among his base hardly moved. And he didn’t just _say_, " If I got a blow job from a White House intern, I wouldn’t lose any of my voters". > > He actually DID get a blow job from a young female intern AND LIED about it on national TV. > > And even today he is worshiped by feminists as a great political leader. > > All Trump did was joke about shooting some one and the Left goes crazy. He never DID anything of the sort. > > Yet Bill Clinton sexually assaults a young female intern under his authority and the Left is silent. > > Imagine, just imagine, a Republican President sexually assaulting a young female intern in the White House. The hue and cry from the Left would be deafening and that President would be banished from the political scene _forever_. > > The hypocrisy of the Left. Your imagining that the Left was silent over this indicates you don’t spend much time with people on the Left. Democrats bitch about Clinton all the time. Why do you think so many Democrats hated Hillary? Because she not only married that asshole, she defended him. I wouldn’t vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/30 "2017-06-11T20:31:42Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > To the mind of a Trump supporter, he never actually did any of those things. > But if there was undeniable proof that Trump just randomly shot someone? Yeah, he loses his support. The majority of Trump supporters are not inherently evil people. And if folks on the left continue to insist that they are, DT will get his second term in office. It’s not about evil, it’s about cognitive dissonance. Once you’ve expressed support for someone, it’s very difficult to accept that you’ve identified with, or even loved, someone capable of heinous acts - even when those acts have been committed against you. It’s much easier to suppose that the facts are all wrong, or that your hero is at the center of a conspiracy. Trump would lose supporters if he were to do something so awful, but a surprising contingent would likely continue to deny any wrongdoing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/31 "2017-06-11T20:41:15Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > It’s not about evil, it’s about cognitive dissonance. Once you’ve expressed support for someone, it’s very difficult to accept that you’ve identified with, or even loved, someone capable of heinous acts - even when those acts have been committed against you. It’s much easier to suppose that the facts are all wrong, or that your hero is at the center of a conspiracy. Trump would lose supporters if he were to do something so awful, but a surprising contingent would likely continue to deny any wrongdoing. Unless the person shot down was a darling of the trump supporters, I would think that they would rationalize it that the victim deserved it. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/32 "2017-06-11T20:44:31Z")
This is an extreme example, but some on the Left would do the same for their candidate of choice. Our society has become increasingly more partisan, often at the expense of common sense. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/33 "2017-06-11T20:47:52Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > What Clinton did was fucked up, but was it assault? > My memory of the incident was that the act was not only consensual, but Lewinsky was quite smitten with herself at the time it happened. I remember her giggling to herself in an interview with Katie Couric (??, or whoever it was) when she recounted the time she lifted up her skirt to show Bill her panties. Assault would have to have her file charges, which she obviously didn’t do and wasn’t going to do. Had he been the CEO of a company, he might very well have lost his job, since the boss isn’t supposed to be hitting on the folks under him (in most US companies). ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/34 "2017-06-11T20:52:10Z")
I’d say it was an abuse of power. Sleazy and shitty, but not anything that created trauma for Lewinsky. If he threatened her job or cooerced her, it would be an entirely different story. That is not to dismiss the actual assault allegations against him. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/35 "2017-06-11T21:18:23Z")
To answer the OP: Because Trump said so many outrageous things, the shooting comment was just a drop in the bucket. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/36 "2017-06-11T22:07:19Z")
Ok, so I see that our local collection of rightists has gone running for the “but…Clinton got a blowjob!” Tactic. Ok, fine. Clinton had moral shortcomings. You got him. Good thing he was competent as President. Because the next GOP Preisdent, he had good personal morals but he was as far from competent that we thought we could get, So, the President after him? Well he had strong personal morals and was pretty competent. So the Righties spent eight years insisting he wasn’t born in this county and calling his wife a transsexual. So since Bush was the mirror opposite of Clinton, the GOP decided to idolize the mirror opposite of Obama with a President that fails utterly in both morals and competency. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/37 "2017-06-12T00:17:07Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > So the Righties spent eight years insisting he wasn’t born in this county and calling his wife a transsexual. I dislike this kind of hyperbole regardless of where it comes from. Naturally I tend to believe that Right-wingers are more likely to be guilty of it, but Lefties aren’t immune either, as the above post shows. I have yet to meet any Right-wing person, and I know a bunch, who seriously proposed that Michelle Obama was transexual. That’s a really fringe kind of attack/belief, and to characterize all people on the Right as guilty of it simply makes the Left look out of touch with reality. Sure, there were crazies who claimed that. But I doubt you can show me a mainstream cite indicating that it was routine on the Right to believe Michelle O was trannsexual. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/38 "2017-06-12T00:36:38Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Assuming Trump actually said this (and it does sound like something he would say) it’s probably because he’s aware of the low morality and the blind-eyed devotion of the people who voted for him, and he’s mocking them for their foolishness. He absolutely did say it, at a campaign rally in Iowa, on January 23, 2016. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSMTZSAPEC1NFEQLYN ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/39 "2017-06-12T00:44:17Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I dislike this kind of hyperbole regardless of where it comes from. Naturally I tend to believe that Right-wingers are more likely to be guilty of it, but Lefties aren’t immune either, as the above post shows. > > I have yet to meet any Right-wing person, and I know a bunch, who seriously proposed that Michelle Obama was transexual. That’s a really fringe kind of attack/belief, and to characterize all people on the Right as guilty of it simply makes the Left look out of touch with reality. > > Sure, there were crazies who claimed that. But I doubt you can show me a mainstream cite indicating that it was routine on the Right to believe Michelle O was trannsexual. What do you consider mainstream? If Trump personally advocates or hobknobs with a media person would that count? Or, shifting gears, how about when they called her a gorilla or ape? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669/40 "2017-06-12T01:18:57Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I dislike this kind of hyperbole regardless of where it comes from. Naturally I tend to believe that Right-wingers are more likely to be guilty of it, but Lefties aren’t immune either, as the above post shows. > > I have yet to meet any Right-wing person, and I know a bunch, who seriously proposed that Michelle Obama was transexual. That’s a really fringe kind of attack/belief, and to characterize all people on the Right as guilty of it simply makes the Left look out of touch with reality. > > Sure, there were crazies who claimed that. But I doubt you can show me a mainstream cite indicating that it was routine on the Right to believe Michelle O was trannsexual. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > What do you consider mainstream? If Trump personally advocates or hobknobs with a media person would that count? > > Or, shifting gears, how about when they called her a gorilla or ape? [Trump adviser Carl Paladino.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-paladino-obama-insults-20161223-story.html#) > [@](#): > > Carl Paladino, a former Republican nominee for governor of New York and an adviser to President-elect Donald Trump, included the death of President Barack Obama and “return” of first lady Michelle Obama to Africa on his list of things he wanted for 2017. > > Paladino was responding to a survey by an alternative weekly magazine, Artvoice. > > Asked what he would like to happen in 2017, he said he hopes that “Obama catches mad cow disease” and dies after having relations with a Hereford, a type of cow. Asked what he would most like to see go, Paladino responded that Michelle Obama would “return to being male” and be “let loose” in Zimbabwe. > > In a statement to The Post, Paladino denied that the comments were racist. > > “It has nothing to do with race,” Paladino said. “That’s the typical stance of the press when they can’t otherwise defend the acts of the person being attacked.” > Neo-Nazi ‘alt-right’ crowd cheers the president-elect with ‘Hail Trump’ > > “It’s about 2 progressive elitist ingrates who have hated their country so badly and destroyed its fabric in so many respects in 8 years,” he added. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-trumps-comment-about-not-losing-voters-if-he-were-to-shoot-someone-bother-anyone/788669.md?page=3)