# Why isn't Hillary clinton in jail? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125 "2015-04-20T16:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/181 "2015-04-21T13:02:07Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > Lets assume Cheney or Rumsfeld had a private email server, and deleted the same number of emails making the determination themselves of which to be deleted and which not. > > The dems, liberals, progressives, and media would go absolutely ape shit. They would trip over themselves calling for investigations and special prosecutors, etc. There would be non stop screaming about this for weeks. And the right-wing media would devote itself to making a number of fairly obvious points, among which: - The deletions may have been _stupid_, but there is as of yet no evidence of criminality, cover-up, etc. - Dems, liberals, progressives, and the left-wing media are exaggerating the scandal-factor of this issue and exploiting it for partisan gain. And in that scenario, the right-wing media would have the better argument. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/182 "2015-04-21T13:03:12Z")
Haberdash: He is a mentally ill person and a troll. You can also see him making wild distortions of what others say and expressions of the bigotry in the secular blogger thread. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/183 "2015-04-21T13:08:26Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Can I just say what we are probably all thinking? > > Who is this **Haberdash** asshole and how has he flown under the radar for a year and a half? Apparently he didn’t start actually posting until the past few weeks, despite his registration date. But all of a sudden, he’s unavoidable. His level of stupidity is downright impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/184 "2015-04-21T13:10:39Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > …Still doing the liberal vs. conservative shtick? I’ve got no dog in that fight champ. I don’t have to be a conservative to see hypocrisy. Your posting history is available for review. Might you consider yourself a “Libertarian”? Do you prefer Rand Paul or Ted Cruz? ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/185 "2015-04-21T13:12:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The problem isn’t that people are criticizing Clinton - pretty much EVERYONE on this board is criticizing Clinton, including people who are still planning to vote for her (becuase all the alternatives are far worse). The problem is that some folks take that criticism and run with it straight into Crazyland. I have found this to be a common behavior in hyper-partisans (perhaps more prevalent on the right, whose media outlets are fundamentally built on outrage). My father-in-law seems capable of only two modalities toward a given political figure: either the politician is totally beyond reproach, or he/she is the worst scum on Earth and ought to be assassinated for the good of the country. So any nuanced discussion about Obama is impossible, because after all we’re talking about someone who is literally destroying America. When I, as an Obama supporter, rattle off a whole litany of things Obama has done that I disagree with, he just stares at me incredulously, like it simply does not compute that I can \*simultaneously \*hold those positions. My guess is that posters on this board who accuse liberal posters of blind messiah-worship simply cannot believe that liberals’ criticisms of Clinton or Obama are actually sincere. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/186 "2015-04-21T13:20:29Z")
It is the habit of the very strongly ideological, i guess in the american terms, they are hyper partisan. I normally have only seen this among the hard left groups like the communists (the real ones). it is strange to see it from another side, but… ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/187 "2015-04-21T13:26:30Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > When I, as an Obama supporter, rattle off a whole litany of things Obama has done that I disagree with Every Obama supporter I’ve ever heard give himself credit for this considers “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree” or some other variant of “needs to Obama harder” as the “thing he’s done that you disagree with.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/188 "2015-04-21T13:33:23Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > And the left wing doesn’t hack on Republican presidents? As I recall it, despite the irregular circumstances of his election and the “We wuz robbed!” feelings, W pretty much got a pass until 9/11 and for some time after. It was only when he started showing Dick Cheney’s true neocon colors that he started getting bashed. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/189 "2015-04-21T13:36:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > “Demographic Warfare”, … I am an arms dealer specializing in demographic warfare. I expect Hillary to be one of my best customers. I have statistics launchers, fully automatic hand held racial dog whistles, and intercontinental ballistic ad campaigns. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/190 "2015-04-21T13:37:49Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Every Obama supporter I’ve ever heard give himself credit for this considers “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree” or some other variant of “needs to Obama harder” as the “thing he’s done that you disagree with.” I think it’s not just the stupidity. It’s the winning combination of the stupidity and how sure he is of himself. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/191 "2015-04-21T13:41:27Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Every Obama supporter I’ve ever heard give himself credit for this considers “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree” or some other variant of “needs to Obama harder” as the “thing he’s done that you disagree with.” Cite for even one instance of “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree”? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/192 "2015-04-21T13:42:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > As I recall it, despite the irregular circumstances of his election and the “We wuz robbed!” feelings, W pretty much got a pass until 9/11 and for some time after. It was only when he started showing Dick Cheney’s true neocon colors that he started getting bashed. I’d disagree about his getting a pass before 9/11. I think Dubya got a pretty good hammering over the 2001 tax cuts, for instance. I think your ‘and for some time after’ 9/11 remark is on target, though. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/193 "2015-04-21T13:43:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Cite for even one instance of “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree”? During the entirety of the past six years, he hasn’t dissolved Congress and ruled by decree. Nor has he administered death panels to GOP Congresscritters. So there! ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/194 "2015-04-21T13:44:15Z")
The epistemic closure of Democrats did not arise until the Obama cult of personality was formed in 2007-2008. There’s an expected level of simple disagreement with the people you didn’t vote for, but the fingers-in-ears, “the Leader is always right and anyone who disagrees is a racist” hero-worship is a relatively new phenomenon in the mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/195 "2015-04-21T13:47:23Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The epistemic closure of Democrats did not arise until the Obama cult of personality was formed in 2007-2008. There’s an expected level of simple disagreement with the people you didn’t vote for, but the fingers-in-ears, “the Leader is always right and anyone who disagrees is a racist” hero-worship is a relatively new phenomenon in the mainstream. Do you think there are any Obama-voters who genuinely believe “Meh, he’s an okay Democrat, and I disagree with lots of what he’s done, but he’s way, way better than the Republicans”? Are all Obama supporters “fingers-in-ears” fanatics? All Democrats? Is it possible to disagree with you honestly and reasonably, or must everyone who disagrees with you be a fanatic cultist? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/196 "2015-04-21T13:50:07Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I am an arms dealer specializing in demographic warfare. I expect Hillary to be one of my best customers. I have statistics launchers, fully automatic hand held racial dog whistles, and intercontinental ballistic ad campaigns. I’m in the market for phased gender rifles in the 40-watt range. PM me. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/197 "2015-04-21T13:50:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You mean out of Mordor? To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, Powell didn’t leave the Republican party, the Republican party left him. I find it interesting that Powell didn’t stand up to his GOP bosses until he had retired from public life. During his career, he was more than happy to cover up masacres and start wars to further his career. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/198 "2015-04-21T14:01:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you think there are any Obama-voters who genuinely believe “Meh, he’s an okay Democrat, and I disagree with lots of what he’s done, but he’s way, way better than the Republicans”? > > Are all Obama supporters “fingers-in-ears” fanatics? All Democrats? Is it possible to disagree with you honestly and reasonably, or must everyone who disagrees with you be a fanatic cultist? You will not get anything but a rant out of him. but I find this discourse from the americans on the right very strange as it is not what I can see. What I see is the americans on the left can never cease complaining about how their own leaderships fall short of their desires much more than the ones on the right although all the very strongly partisans on both sides make up excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/199 "2015-04-21T14:30:23Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Every Obama supporter I’ve ever heard give himself credit for this considers “won’t dissolve Congress and rule by decree” or some other variant of “needs to Obama harder” as the “thing he’s done that you disagree with.” - Escalating the drone war - Poorly planned Libya intervention - Acquiescing in the military coup in Egypt (admittedly options were limited) - Backing the current Saudi intervention in Yemen - Committing to “destroy” ISIS - Withholding approval of the Keystone Pipeline (I’m somewhat on the fence though) - His association with Reverend Wright - Execution failures in implementing ACA These are all decisions or actions Obama has taken that I’ve disagreed with, disapproved of, or been disappointed in. Most of these happen to be foreign policy-related, where I would put myself somewhere to the left of Obama. (I was excited about Rand Paul’s candidacy until he threw in the towel to the hawkish wing of his party.) I’ll add, also, that Obama’s oratory is much over-rated and has never really lived up to his 2004 DNC speech, and most of the time I’m pretty lukewarm on his personality, truth be told. I think that liberals are often too quick to dismiss their ideological opposites as being brainwashed by “Faux News,” so incivility and lack of charity can be found on both sides of the aisle, but just know that you’re not winning any arguments by caricaturing liberals as a bunch of mindless zombies. Especially not on this board. You should look to posters like Bricker as an example of how to gain respect from and occasional convince those on the other side. That said, if you derive recreational pleasure from what is the rhetorical equivalent of flinging your own feces against a wall and seeing how much of it you can get to stick, please carry on. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/200 "2015-04-21T14:39:20Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The epistemic closure of Democrats did not arise until the Obama cult of personality was formed in 2007-2008. There’s an expected level of simple disagreement with the people you didn’t vote for, but the fingers-in-ears, “the Leader is always right and anyone who disagrees is a racist” hero-worship is a relatively new phenomenon in the mainstream. Man, you’re projecting so hard I can see you from my house. On another planet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125.md?page=11)