# Why isn't Hillary clinton in jail? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125 "2015-04-20T16:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/21 "2015-04-20T17:42:26Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The notion that the Secretary of State never discussed classified information in her four years in the office is on its face absurd, which will not stop Democratic loyalists from asserting it with a smile for the remainder of this thread. You said “never discussed classified information.” Whether or not Clinton talked in person about classified matters has no relevance to the content of her emails. That she didn’t use email for classified information is very plausible, as many people in government will tell you. There are separate email systems for classified communications, which have nothing to do with regular Internet email. > [@doorhinge](#): > > No, it doesn’t. Evidence is anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true. > > “These figures are being given as evidence of economic growth”, does not mean the figures are provided as evidence of a crime, or a criminal investigation. So if I destroyed the figures that are “evidence” of economic growth, I have committed a crime? The OP is talking about destruction of evidence being an act that deserves jail. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/22 "2015-04-20T17:43:41Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > This is incredibly stupid. People are allowed to have opinions on the guilt or innocence of accused criminals and public figures. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a standard for courts – one that Hillary Clinton apparently didn’t care for much while serving as Secretary of State during a Presidential administration that targeted people for assassination without trial in its drone program – not for people having opinions on a message board. And his opinion then is also valid, just like mine. The reason why Hillary is not in Jail is because she did not brake the rules, and previous Secretaries had used personal e-mails, of course the rules have changed so what Hillary did does look iffy now and even I think she has been shamed already about it. But that is the result of retroactively applying the new law. IMHO this scandal is just following the same pattern as previous Clinton scandals, the extreme right pushes it so hard and goes so over the top with the accusations that most of the people then end up siding with the Clintons because the extreme rightists fighting the “monster” end up looking like one or they become one by forcing the law by doing efforts that do look monstrous and worse than the alleged bad thing a Clinton did. On the matter of drones it is unlikely that the “bomb, bomb Iran” team would limit the use of the drones. It is clear that they would use them more. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/23 "2015-04-20T17:50:03Z")
I am wondering if you should be in jail , is it legal to use a president name as your username especially when he is still alive and in office ??? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/24 "2015-04-20T18:26:11Z")
Heck, “Barack Obama” is a common enough name. Practically a John Smith. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/25 "2015-04-20T18:28:49Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > I am wondering if you should be in jail , is it legal to use a president name as your username especially when he is still alive and in office ??? How do you know that this isn’t Barack Obama criticizing Hillary on SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/26 "2015-04-20T18:34:59Z")
I’m comfortable assuming President Obama understands how the justice system works. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/27 "2015-04-20T18:45:16Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m comfortable assuming President Obama understands how the justice system works. [nah](http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/01/the-wedding-that-a-us-drone-strike-turned-into-a-funeral/282936/) ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/28 "2015-04-20T18:51:00Z")
Couple things: 1. Her attorney reviewing the emails is SOP. It’s his career on the line if he sanctions spoliation of evidence. 2. There is more than a single party to emails. If she knowingly destroyed “evidence” then all someone has to do is find one of those emails. Further, she is incredibly open to blackmail if she has taken this route because someone(s) (potentially) has evidence that she committed a crime. Seems kind of dumb to me. 3. As a Democratic voter, I don’t really like it at all. There was no reason for deletion. Backup is just as simple and allows for further retrieval should the discovery request change. It just lends an air of cover-up when it need not. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/29 "2015-04-20T19:02:53Z")
No point in putting her in jail. She would ooze through the bars and make an escape! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/30 "2015-04-20T19:16:44Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief that you’ve never been in charge of the Inquisition. Oh? How do you know **Haberdash** isn’t Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/31 "2015-04-20T19:24:29Z")
Well, at least Democrats still are concerned about civil liberties and the rights of the accused for ONE person. That’s one more than I thought it was this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/32 "2015-04-20T19:33:40Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Key reason, self incriminating actions of\* personal \* known individual to sort through emails to determine what is Private and what is not. Then the destruction of evidence immediately after and not just any ordinary “destruction” this wasn’t physical paper it was emails that are stored on a computer, so she went out of her way to make sure these emails were completely destroyed and made no copys of them for a Gov appointed individual to oversee and confirm what she had her own PERSONAL lawyer decide was public/private. So let me get this straight… A republican controlled House and republican controlled Senate are letting Hillary Clinton off the hook on this one? The same republicans who pursed Benghazi to the point that it, [“had more hearings, more documents produced, more investigative effort than the entire Iraq War.”](http://thehill.com/policy/international/239332-clinton-supporter-benghazi-probe-a-political-exercise) The republicans who pursued both her and her husband (then president) over Whitewater and spent three years and $70 million to ultimately catch the president for lying to congress about a blowjob. This time though the republicans will go easy on her? I mean clearly the OP knows a crime was committed so it can only be that the republicans are covering up for her this time. Why would they? I can only guess it is something only the OP is privy to. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/33 "2015-04-20T19:34:13Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Well, at least Democrats still are concerned about civil liberties and the rights of the accused for ONE person. That’s one more than I thought it was this morning. Just in case you missed it, it was legal to use a private server at the time. Stupid, but legal. So explain what crime she committed. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/34 "2015-04-20T19:34:25Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Well, at least Democrats still are concerned about civil liberties and the rights of the accused for ONE person. That’s one more than I thought it was this morning. Doesn’t really apply until HRC is arrested or indicted. At present she is “accused” of nothing. The court of public opinion is a different matter, of course. But I’m confident that court will acquit her in November 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/35 "2015-04-20T19:43:52Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > …If she even gets a single vote I will have lost a great deal of faith in our society and may consider more radical actions towards this Government. Wouldn’t **Timothy McVeigh** been a more suitable username? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/36 "2015-04-20T19:49:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Barack Obama View Post > …If she even gets a single vote I will have lost a great deal of faith in our society and may consider more radical actions towards this Government. I have to think she’s a shoe-in for at least her daughter’s and her husband’s vote. And she’ll likely vote for herself. That’s three pretty solid votes. Plus, me (if she gets the nomination). So, there’s four at least. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/37 "2015-04-20T19:56:02Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Well, at least Democrats still are concerned about civil liberties and the rights of the accused for ONE person. That’s one more than I thought it was this morning. Do you really believe that liberals/Democrats are less concerned about civil liberties and the rights of the accused than conservatives/Republicans. Perhaps yes for the recent spate of accusations against the police, but in general? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/38 "2015-04-20T20:19:34Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > The fact she had the audacity to run for president after running against President obama in 08 then being pointed Secretary of State is just fucking mind boggling. I’m trying really hard to figure out what is so “fucking mind boggling” about this. Is it that she is running for President after losing in the last primary, like Reagan once did? Or is it that she is running for President after previously serving as Secretary of State, like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, or Martin Van Burden? > [@](#): > > If she even gets a single vote I will have lost a great deal of faith in our society and may consider more radical actions towards this Government. Speaking of going to jail… ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/39 "2015-04-20T20:21:34Z")
Did we need a second thread about this? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125/40 "2015-04-20T20:34:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Just in case you missed it, it was legal to use a private server at the time. Stupid, but legal. > So explain what crime she committed. “Demographic Warfare”, according to things I’ve been reading elsewhere on this board. Frankly, I agree. We must act quickly if we are to have any hope of preventing this Clinton woman from ruthlessly employing WMD (Weapons of Mass Demographics) against defenseless Republicans. It may already be too late. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-isnt-hillary-clinton-in-jail/718125.md?page=3)