# Why Jesus is not God and can't be God. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115 "2013-08-01T23:10:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/181 "2013-08-19T04:36:08Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > Option 4 works for me. I don’t have to change my opinions every decade when some “scholar” writes a book or the “church” shrugs. That’s quite ironic given the number of changes and flip flops that the JW organization has done over its 125 some odd years of existence. You must be so new that you’re not even ‘aware’ of the ‘Generation’ change - or all of the other failed teachings the Watchtower has “shrugged” out with its “scholarly” research. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/182 "2013-08-19T08:05:27Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > You forgot option 4: God exists and has inspired the writing of the Bible in such a way that it is accurate both in history and foretelling the future. > [@SirGalahad](#): > > That’s option 1. … inerrant. 1. God exists, but he is is in no way as powerfull as he is made out to be. He is just _a_ god, one among many. The bible is indeed His word but it’s just propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/183 "2013-08-19T12:25:16Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > Like i said, just because God can use his ability to look ahead doesn’t mean he always _would_ use it. God created Job with free will just as Adam had free will. The bible is full of warning and guidance yes entire books of advice. (like Proverbs!) > > Why all this advice and pleas from God to make him happy by making the right choice? Is God that stupid to warn us and give advice while knowing ahead you’re gonna knock over that bank or get pregnant by the quarterback anyway? > > What do \*\*you \*\*think? > > Please note it was not God that killed Job’s kin, but Satan was willing to go to any length to crush Job’s loyalty. Maybe you should read it over again slowly and see that even at the worst moment Job expressed his faith in resurrection. > Job 14:15 > > Maybe it’s not in God’s personality to always want to peek into the future, but…have some faith all will turn out alright. (Everybody hates spoilers) > People, have some faith will ya? > Some verses on Christ being an angel way before being a man: > > **Galatians 4:14** though my condition put you to the test, you did not scorn or despise me, but welcomed me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. > _New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition_ > > **Colossians 1:15** > He is the \*\*image \*\*of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. > \*New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition \* > > Who is the \*\*image \*\*of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: > \*King James Version \* > > Please note that i made the word image bold as you all have read that before in Genesis where us humans are described as being _creations_ in God’s _image_. Think on it. > > **John 7:28,29 28** herefore Jesus cried out as he was teaching in the temple and said: “YOU​ both know me and know where I am from. Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that **sent** me is real, and ​YOU​ do not know him.29 I know him, because I am a **representative** from him, and that One **sent** me forth.” > Now for Jesus claiming they knew him and where he was from is not about him being born in Bethlehem and his post code… The whole Old Testament is full of Messianic prophesies. > > You probably know the first one: **Genesis 3:15**. Read and note that it foretells the snake (Satan) crushing Jesus in the heel and Jesus crushing the snake in the head. A heel or foot injury can cause to fall but is not ultimate or fatal. You can rise from that injury and Jesus was indeed resurrected. The bible mentions the Archangel (or chief of angels) Michael fighting the Dragon or Great Snake identified as Satan. Michael = Jesus but i’ll continue that later in this post. > > Many Christians think they don’t need the Old Testament, but we do. It’s quite impossible to understand the identity of the Christ/Messiah without all the prophesy and background of Israel. Jesus didn’t just show up on a whim, the entire combined nation (both Judea and Samaria) were \*\*expecting \*\*the Messiah to be born around the year he was born. Why so? Because they knew their scriptures! > > For example if i tell you Jesus fulfilled/ended the Mosaic Law, do you understand? > If i say Jesus and Melchizedek in one sentence, does a bell ring? **Hebrews 5:1-10** > > Do you understand Jesus died on a special religious day, just before the high priest would make the sacrifice to commemorate liberation from Egypt? Do you know what it means that the High Priest himself convicted Jesus and what that means? Can you combine the term Lamb of God combined with the above? > > Do you understand Jesus being a superior High Priest that could make a sacrifice that would \*\* not have to be repeated every year?\*\* (namely his own life) > A sacrifice that was a much greater fulfillment of the liberation from Egypt in Moses’ days. > > Just a selection from **Hebrews 7:** > > “23 Furthermore, the former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office; > 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. > 25 Consequently he is able for all time to save[e] those who _ **approach God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.** _ > 26 For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, blameless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. > 27 Unlike the other[f] high priests, he has no need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for those of the people; this he did once for all when he offered himself. > 28 For the law appoints as high priests those who are subject to weakness, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.” > > Jesus is evidently not God Almighty, i’ll keep saying it. Your own bible tells you exactly who he is and what he does for us. He mediates for us, just like Moses, Aaron, and Israel’s High Priests did. Except Christ being the Son of God, the very first of all angels being a superior priest. > > Do you understand why he had to die? Why the word ransom is sometimes used? > > Some other posters said i’m on a loser here as it is a matter of faith. I agree, i am on a loser here. I gave my two cents. > **The Michael-Jesus Connection** : > > Jude 1:9 and then 1 Thessalonians 4:16 > Revelation 12:7 and then Revelation 19:14-16 > > 2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22 These verses speak of Michael leading angels and Jesus leading angels. There is only _ **one** _ Archangel in the bible though and the bible does not speak of two armies of angels. Hence Michael=Jesus Christ in his heavenly form. > Matthew 13:41 > > **John 17: 5** So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed. > _New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition_ > In the entire bible only two names of holy angels are mentioned. Michael and Gabriel. All other angels are not named and when they were asked they said their names were not important. > > Now if you read Daniel, Michael is called the prince of Daniel’s people. And the angel speaking to Daniel says he was held up by the (demon) prince of Persia for twenty one days and Michael came to help him. Daniel: 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1 > > Exodus also speaks of God sending his people an angel to lead them through the wilderness and into the promised land. Compare that to Jude 9 where Michael and the Devil argue about Moses’ body. Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2 > > Revelation 12 mentions Michael and The Christ in the same setting, 12:7 and 12:10. Then in Revelation 19:11-16 Jesus Christ can be identified leading God’s armies as the rider on the white horse, called The Word of God. > Compare John 1:1 _The Word of God, or God’s spokesman._ > > Michael translates “Who is like God?” a fitting name for God’s champion. > > Sorry for the delay…been busy, > > Ruben. > Oh and by the way… The God of the Old Testament is the same of the New Testament. The word jealous is misunderstood. (Like Oprah totally did.) > > When Adam and Eve rebelled, did God kill them on the spot??? > NO. So here we, their offspring are still alive to call Him a vengeful mean bastard. > > When Cain murdered his innocent younger brother did God kill him on the spot??? > NO, Cain unremorseful of his disgusting crime even pleaded upon God’s mercy. Because he knew God! > > When the earth was filled with violence and mankind defiled by the Nephilim and their demon fathers did God instantly wipe out mankind? > NO, he gave warning for at least **50 years** through Noah and his family whom did not only build but also warned of judgement. > > In fact every time one reads the OT it is clear that JHWH gives warning and a way out for those with the right state of heart. That is if you actually read the Old Testament. (all of it) The Mosaic Law even has laws preventing animal cruelty! > > God says in Exodus he is a jealous God. But don’t confuse that with jealous like your family or lover. It means **demanding exclusive worship.** Is that unfair for the Creator of all living things, even the universe, to ask??? > > Is God wrong and petty to ask his people, those that agreed with loud voices on the mountains when they made the Covenant with JHWH? Is he wrong to ask his people not to worship Baal, Marduk, Dagon, Semiramis? Or Shiva, Vishnu, Buddha the pope or the United Nations? > > Read the OT and see that God did not make such claims upon _other peoples_ that had no **covenant** with him. Why does it even need explaining that the Almighty God would ask to be treated as the Almighty God? > We don’t have to choose His side. But if you do, know that he asks exclusive devotion. If you can’t give that loyalty and don’t like exclusive relations, simply don’t get involved. > > You can always serve kings, presidents, clerics, CEOs, companies, countries or societies and see how forgiving they are when you’re even only perceived as disloyal. I hear a certain Bradley is being shown a lot of consideration for his troubled conscience. If you read and think about what you are reading you will note that the Psalmist says all are gods and sons of the most high, Jesus uses this to explain why he calls God his father, and taught people to say “Our Father” If all people were created by this God, then all would be of his progeny. It was the writers of the OT that wrote and declared what God was supposed to have said or done, so we are believing in them, not a God! Then Christians believe that God became man and changed the old meanings. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/184 "2013-08-19T12:32:06Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > The underlined section seems contradictory. Maybe that’s not what you meant to say. If God’s all knowing, then he’s not all knowing? Maybe you could rephrase that last sentence. > > I’m certain that most of the Bible is either lifted from other cults or made up for the purposes of establishing and maintaining control. In my mind, there were probably three Commandments … don’t Kill, don’t steal, don’t bear false witness. I imagine the tribe elders and leaders added the “Honor thy parents” … these kids today with their clothes and their music … and the merchant who’s wife ran away with the snake charmer suggested the “not covet thy neighbor’s wife” part. Obviously the acolytes didn’t want competition from the Mardukites or Ashurites, so we get the “no false God’s” section, and so on. > > It’s interesting how so many people are troubled by the notion of God possibly knowing the future, but allowing us to live it anyway. Why wouldn’t he? As long as he’s not controlling our every decision, we have free will. Why do we care if he knows? He’s not telling us, at least about our own little lives … and the prophesies like Revelation, are sufficiently vague to not really spoil the movie. Why is it cruel to let a person have free will, yet know what he’ll do? He’s doing it to himself. I meant if God is all knowing as has been taught, it is wrong, and he should have known ahead of time what would happen. If he didn’t know, then it would seem unfair to expect people who don’t know all things to know how to act. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/185 "2013-08-19T16:33:05Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I meant if God is all knowing as has been taught, it is wrong, and he should have known ahead of time what would happen. If he didn’t know, then it would seem unfair to expect people who don’t know all things to know how to act. \*\* I meant if God is all knowing as has been taught, it is wrong, and he should have known ahead of time what would happen\*\*\*\*\*\* That’s not clearing it up. **If he didn’t know, then it would seem unfair to expect people who don’t know all things to know how to act.** Why? He purportedly tells you how to act through the prophets. Why would you need to know all things? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/186 "2013-08-19T22:18:42Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > . . . Why? He purportedly tells you how to act through the prophets. Why would you need to know all things? He told Adam and Eve directly…but what he said doesn’t seem to be true. “On that day you will die.” They didn’t. The prophets were a really poor way of getting the word out. For one thing, there were many would-be prophets, then as today. (The cartoon image of a guy standing on a street corner with a sandwich board shouting “The end is near” is far more than just a cartoon. There really are such persons.) How do we tell a false prophet from a true one? (Harold Camping comes to mind: “The world will end in 2011, and The Bible Guarantees It.”) Second, their message was usually cryptic. Why not be explicit? “On June 1st, Seleucis will bring his army to Moab, going round by the east road.” Whatever. Instead, we only get, “Woe to Jerusalem, for nobody listens to God anymore. (And the way kids wear their hair! Oy vey!”) Agreed, we don’t need to know all things. But we need to know much more than the Bible and the prophets have told us. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/187 "2013-08-19T23:25:27Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > He told Adam and Eve directly…but what he said doesn’t seem to be true. “On that day you will die.” They didn’t. > > The prophets were a really poor way of getting the word out. For one thing, there were many would-be prophets, then as today. (The cartoon image of a guy standing on a street corner with a sandwich board shouting “The end is near” is far more than just a cartoon. There really are such persons.) How do we tell a false prophet from a true one? > > (Harold Camping comes to mind: “The world will end in 2011, and The Bible Guarantees It.”) > > Second, their message was usually cryptic. Why not be explicit? “On June 1st, Seleucis will bring his army to Moab, going round by the east road.” Whatever. Instead, we only get, “Woe to Jerusalem, for nobody listens to God anymore. (And the way kids wear their hair! Oy vey!”) > > Agreed, we don’t need to know all things. But we need to know much more than the Bible and the prophets have told us. Why? I mean really, why? For a better life? Peace of mind? Why do we need to know more? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/188 "2013-08-20T01:43:40Z")
Definitely, yes, for peace of mind and a better life. How many millions of lives might have been saved, spared hellish suffering, if God had simply written down a few notes on the germ theory of disease, and how washing our hands is of more than merely ritual benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/189 "2013-08-20T01:55:39Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > You forgot option 4: God exists and has inspired the writing of the Bible in such a way that it is accurate both in history and foretelling the future. > > Not trying to be funny but this is also a well known stance of millions of people. Why leave it out even if you might not agree? > Option 4 works for me. I don’t have to change my opinions every decade when some “scholar” writes a book or the “church” shrugs. That position is both impossible (since the Bible both contradicts known history and itself), and very dangerous. Those millions of people make decisions based on their impossible beliefs and try to force them on others. Maybe you make _yourself_ happy, but only at the cost of spreading suffering - and only until following your fantasy leads you to disaster, since reality is not required to conform to your beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/190 "2013-08-20T02:01:06Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Definitely, yes, for peace of mind and a better life. > > How many millions of lives might have been saved, spared hellish suffering, if God had simply written down a few notes on the germ theory of disease, and how washing our hands is of more than merely ritual benefit. I don’t think Scriptures are primarily a user manual for reality. Why would a supremely powerful deity worry about things like “lives”? If the soul is immortal, no biggie, you just teleport up to Heaven when you die… If the soul isn’t immortal, then why are we even paying attention to an infinite being who seems to be very busy for the past couple of millennia and hasn’t been returning calls. Either way, Gods must have somethings better to do than coach us. Maybe he just gave up after a while. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/191 "2013-08-20T03:14:22Z")
Makes sense… Even saints have limits to their patience. After about the millionth time people did something stupid, God could well have thrown up his hands and said, “Fine!” Most of my reasoning was: a God (having the usual Abrahamic virtues) could have done so much better a job. To me, that throws out those virtues right away. Either he’s incapable or cruel. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/192 "2013-08-20T05:49:39Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Makes sense… Even saints have limits to their patience. After about the millionth time people did something stupid, God could well have thrown up his hands and said, “Fine!” > > Most of my reasoning was: a God (having the usual Abrahamic virtues) could have done so much better a job. To me, that throws out those virtues right away. Either he’s incapable or cruel. If you spend infinite eternity creating universes and keeping planets from bumping into each other and other cosmic pursuits, maybe the ant farm we call Earth just doesn’t get 100% of your attention. My guess is that He let some Angels watch over the place and they made whoopie with the womenfolk, and it was sort of a cluster-f\*\*\* from there on. I think we’re pretty much on our own most of the time, which is OK with me. There are some secret pass-words in the Bible that might get you through the “dialing menu” when you call, but like I said, He’s probably very busy … I wouldn’t hold my breath . Sometimes the greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/193 "2013-08-20T11:25:32Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > You forgot option 4: God exists and has inspired the writing of the Bible in such a way that it is accurate both in history and foretelling the future. > > Not trying to be funny but this is also a well known stance of millions of people. Why leave it out even if you might not agree? > Option 4 works for me. I don’t have to change my opinions every decade when some “scholar” writes a book or the “church” shrugs. > And so far, all God’s advice has improved my life and solved my problems. I’m not just believing, i am finding out everyday it’s true. > I could never have seen it if i had let myself be peer pressured into thinking what most people think of the Bible. > > Think for yourself, examine it and \*\*then \*\*make a decision. Give the book a try. Saying that "GOD exists is a belief not a fact, were it a fact it could be proven and faith would not be needed. Actually reading the book, begs more questions than answers. It is the right for anyone to have their beliefs about anything. That doesn’t mean the Book is any better than another, What works for you doesn’t work for many others. Each person has their own idea of what or who God is. There is no One Belief about God. All is of human thought or teaching. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/194 "2013-08-20T11:41:19Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > \*\* > I meant if God is all knowing as has been taught, it is wrong, and he should have known ahead of time what would happen\*\*\*\*\*\* > > That’s not clearing it up. > **If he didn’t know, then it would seem unfair to expect people who don’t know all things to know how to act.** > > Why? He purportedly tells you how to act through the prophets. Why would you need to know all things? The so called Prophets not necessarily right, They were human, and because they said what God said, or didn’t say, is a matter of one’s own beliefs. The stuff the prophets said God said is a matter of what they say God said or did. One can believe it or not. Just as Nostradamus’ and so called modern Prophets. ---
**Author:** ![TARL\_FURY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@TARL\_FURY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TARL_FURY)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/195 "2013-08-25T21:12:39Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > As I see it, there are three basic ways of looking at Scripture … > > 1. God exists and has inspired the oral traditions and writings of the Bible in such a way that it is largely inerrant, perhaps with the exception of a few translation quirks or period colloquialisms. > > 2. God exists, but His message to humanity, if any, has been twisted, edited, rephrased, and corrupted to the point of complete confusion … we can’t know where His word starts and human lies and deceptions stop. In short, we can guess at what is Holy Scripture and what is manipulative, politically motivated filler, but we probably have no real way of knowing. > > 3. God is a myth … the Bible is a superstitious collection of fables and parables, largely lifted from other cults or manufactured in an effort to control the masses. > > Option 1. is the least interesting to me, since it really only prompts nit-picking by linguists and anthropologists. > > Number 2. can keep you busy arguing, but there’s no conclusive evidence involved, so it’s all subjective. > > The third choice is an easy target, and it plays well to the atheists who continue to upbraid believers, as though those believers will suddenly be swayed by their arrogance, shamed into admitting their delusions by scathing displays of condescension. > > A thread aimed at criticizing religion most resembles option three, even among believers, because the adherents to the first choice will stolidly resist the suggestion that their particular brand of faith is flawed. In other words, to strict literalists, you may as well be an atheist if you don’t agree with them. > > Since atheists are essentially threadshitters in any sincere discussion of a Deity, only the befuddled devotees of the 2nd option have any real potential for a useful debate … that is if you consider confusion to be useful. Please proceed, looking forward to your new thread. I am respectfully disagreeing w/you. My problem accepting any religions teachings as truth is the proponents’ aguments are based upon individual faith/belief, as opposed to reliable sources and indisputable facts. Purely and simply, their non-argument is BS. I don’t agree that choosing actual fact over faith shows any arrogance; I cannot debate anybody’s faith/belief, and THAT’S A FACT. Still researching in preparation for my new thread- I expect to be vigorously challenged and I will be ready to face all combatants. “In the valley of the blind, the one-eyed man is KING.” ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/196 "2013-08-31T12:05:07Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > \*\* > I meant if God is all knowing as has been taught, it is wrong, and he should have known ahead of time what would happen\*\*\*\*\*\* > > That’s not clearing it up. > **If he didn’t know, then it would seem unfair to expect people who don’t know all things to know how to act.** > > Why? He purportedly tells you how to act through the prophets. Why would you need to know all things? No, I think the Prophets were human and not necessarily any thing they wrote or said was from God, any more than any one now days that say God led them or said something to them. The human mind is a thing to ponder! One is still taking the word of another human, that is a fact! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/197 "2013-08-31T12:09:39Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > Why? I mean really, why? For a better life? Peace of mind? Why do we need to know more? I don’t see evidence of people having peace of mind that call them selves believers. If that were the case they would just trust the God they believe in, and not worry about what is to come or why. What is a better life is a matter of opinion! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115/198 "2013-08-31T19:21:58Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > I gave quite more evidence than just what you quoted. And it _does_ follow, but maybe it helps if you actually read the verses. (and take into account all the other arguments) > > Let’s clarify a bit: The bible only speaks of THE Archangel. Only in singular form and never in plural form or casual form. It’s a very clear and decisive title. So don’t worry about lamas and penguins, there is only one Archangel. Barack Obama is the President. Does that statement necessarily imply that there are no other presidents anywhere? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jesus-is-not-god-and-cant-be-god/665115.md?page=9)