# Why jewish people don't believe in Jesus Christ's divinity? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 25, 2000, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171 "2000-12-25T11:21:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/21 "2000-12-26T02:30:20Z")
> [@](#): > > IIRC from sunday school, Jesus is NOT to be revered “as God,” but rather as one aspect of the divine godhead. God, not JC, was the principal focus of worship (even if one can supposedly worship God only through JC.) Jesus isn’t one aspect of ‘the divine godhead’: Jesus **is** God, just as the Father **is** God and the Holy Spirit **is** God. The three of them form the Holy Trinity. Don’t ask me to be more specific: it’s one of the Mysteries. And, as you know, a Mystery, by definition, cannot be explained:D. ---
**Author:** ![mipsman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mipsman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipsman)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/22 "2000-12-26T04:08:38Z")
If David B. ever made some of his cracks about the Jewish religion, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he does not like any relgions. Some of my best friends are atheists and despise all religions and religous thought. David B. does not like Christians and uses this forum to spread his prejudices. I thought this was against the rules. Sorry for my extreme sensitivity to hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/23 "2000-12-26T04:32:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yeah \* > \*\*“In Judaism, no intermediary between God and man is necessary. In fact, praying to anyone or anything other than God is strictly forbidden.” > > Perhaps I am mistaken, if so, I hope someone more conversant with Catholic teachings can enlighten me, but it is my understanding that in Catholocism no intermediary between God and man is necessary. In fact, praying to anyone or anything other than God is strictly forbidden. Catholics do have the option of asking saints to put in a good word for them but they praise only God and they make requests only of God. \*\* OK. But asking the saints to put in a good word for you is, in effect, praying to the saints, is it not? > [@](#): > > \*\* > “In Judasim, God is simply one. There cannot be a triune God.” > > PIAMISIHSMCWCTCEMBIIMUT in Catholocism God is simply one. God is also three. This is called “The mistery of the Holy Trinity.” \*\* OK. But, at _some_ level, He is three, is He not? In Judaism, that is not possible. > [@](#): > > \*\* > “In Judaism, it is not the messiah’s job to save one from sin and Hell.” > > PIAMISIHSMCWCTCEMBIIMUT in Catholocism it is not the messiah’s job to save one from sin and Hell. Nor was it Jesus’s job to save one from sin and Hell. That is each individual’s responsibility. Jesus redeemed humankind from original sin which is something different altogether. \*\* OK. But, IIRC, in most Christian sects, even if a man lead a perfect life, he’s still got the original sin to deal with, and that would send him to Hell. Jesus, IIRC, is supposed to be the only way to cleanse onself of that. If so, then, in effect, the Christian Messiah _does_ save one from sin and Hell. > [@](#): > > \*\* > “Judaism takes God at His Word, and sees no reason to replace those laws.” > > PIAMISIHSMCWCTCEMBIIMUT Catholocism takes God at His Word bit believes He can change his mind. > \*\* Numbers 23:19 ?? Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_Channah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Leah\_Channah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leah_Channah)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/24 "2000-12-26T05:09:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yeah \* > \*\*I guess the best answers to your OP are: > > “Judaism dismisses the very idea of a Son of God” > Good enough for me. \*\* Wrong. Jews believe that we are all sons and daughters of God. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/25 "2000-12-26T05:37:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Leah Channah \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Yeah \* > > \*\*I guess the best answers to your OP are: > > > > “Judaism dismisses the very idea of a Son of God” > > Good enough for me. \*\* > > Wrong. Jews believe that we are all sons and daughters of God. > \*\* Well, yes, **Leah Channah**. Let me re-phrase then: "Judaism dismisses the very idea of a _literal_ Son of God. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Danielinthewolvesden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Danielinthewolvesden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danielinthewolvesden)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/26 "2000-12-26T07:40:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > > \*\*Uniball said: > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > JC was one of 'em, so they should have known better… > > > > They did know better. That’s the point. \*\* > > David B got it. Those that _did_ believe in his divinity became Christians, the rest remained Jews. > > \*\* I do want to point out that out that even some of the leading Jews were willing to keep an open mind. Gamaliel, the grandson of Hillel, said- Acts5:34\> “And there stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the Law, had in reputation amoung all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a litle space: And he said unto them, Ye men of Isreal, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men… (38) And now I say unto you, refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of G-d, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye to be found even to fight aginst G-d”. Showing that his grandfathers wisdom, and perhaps even a touch of prophesy, remained. Note that the deliniation of who can be the Messiah is not so black & white as some would have you think- as Hillel was considered by many Jews to be the Messiah. And, in my Church- the original Covenant with the Jews as His chosen people remains in effect- except there is a New Covenant for others. The OT Covenant is only for the Jews, as I beleive they agree. And, zev, I will point out that “Y” did change His mind a few times, note the various locations of the Temple, prior to the right one, and the rules for sacrificing there. ---
**Author:** ![curwin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@curwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curwin)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/27 "2000-12-26T07:49:33Z")
> [@](#): > > Hillel was considered by many Jews to be the Messiah. This i’ve never heard before. Any sources? ---
**Author:** ![Uniball](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Uniball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniball)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/28 "2000-12-26T11:31:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Leah Channah \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Yeah \* > > \*\*I guess the best answers to your OP are: > > > > “Judaism dismisses the very idea of a Son of God” > > Good enough for me. \*\* > > Wrong. Jews believe that we are all sons and daughters of God. > \*\* Sons and daughters in a blood way, or a spiritual way? ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/29 "2000-12-26T14:54:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danielinthewolvesden \* > \*\* > > Note that the deliniation of who can be the Messiah is not so black & white as some would have you think- as Hillel was considered by many Jews to be the Messiah. \*\* Hillel ??? Sorry, **Daniel** , but I think you’re wrong on that one. Perhaps you’re thinking of Bar Kochba (Bar Koziva)? Even so, when he died, everyone who thought he _might_ have been the messiah dropped the idea. \*\* > [@](#): > > And, in my Church- the original Covenant with the Jews as His chosen people remains in effect- except there is a New Covenant for others. The OT Covenant is only for the Jews, as I beleive they agree. > \*\* So, **Daniel** , your church doesn’t teach that Jesus redeemed the Jews from “the curse of the law?” > [@](#): > > \*\* > And, zev, I will point out that “Y” did change His mind a few times, note the various locations of the Temple, prior to the right one, and the rules for sacrificing there. \*\* The Temple was only located in one place. There were several temporary places where the portable Sanctuary stood (Shiloh, Giv’on, etc.), but both Temples only stood in one place. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2000, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171/30 "2000-12-26T18:50:13Z")
If this question made sense, I would move it to Great Debates. As it is, it seems intended as a troll, and regardless of intentions, it’s getting very ugly. Watch it, **Uniball**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-jewish-people-dont-believe-in-jesus-christs-divinity/47171.md?page=1)