# Why Joey is "special" \[Joe Biden and abortion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 13, 2012, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596 "2012-10-13T06:20:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/21 "2012-10-13T23:39:56Z")
Thirty years ago, I was totally pro-choice, Mr. Biden was not. Now I am still totally pro-choice, and Mr. Biden is as well. Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/22 "2012-10-14T01:19:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, Biden was pro-life earlier in his career. From what I can tell he’s taken pro-choice positions for about a decade (he voted in favor of the “partial birth” abortion ban in 2003). Al Gore did the same kind of thing earlier in his career. I eagerly await an explanation of why I am expected to care. If he were changing his mind about abortion a few times a week, like some candidates I can think of, that would be something of an issue. So was Jesse Jackson. In fact, at one point he was so pro-life that he went so far as to compare the word “fetus” to the word “nigger” claiming they were both ways of dehumanizing people. Of course that was over 30 years ago. Similarly George H. W. Bush used to be pro-Choice but changed his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/23 "2012-10-14T02:32:00Z")
Well that does it; I’m totally convinced. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/24 "2012-10-14T02:38:34Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > BTW, can we call the candidates by their commonly accepted names or should we continue to act like thelve-year-olds? I’ve never seen you object to anyone on this MB calling Romney “Mittens”. That’s a lot more common here than anyone calling Obama “Barry”, which is a name he has used to refer to himself at least. I think we can stand to tolerate one “Barry” for every twenty “Mittens”. I’d prefer no one did either, but that went the way of that pony I wanted last year. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/25 "2012-10-14T02:50:33Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] Yeah, we need more steadfast guys like Willard, who believe the same thing on Wednesday as they did on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday. [/quote] > [@Bosstone](#): > > That was a funny Bush joke, but a bit harder to use on the flip-flop master. But Romney really does believe the same thing on Wednesday that he did Monday. It’s just that on Tuesdays and Thursdays he takes the opposite position. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/26 "2012-10-14T20:12:35Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > He has “evolved” just like his Super Friend, Barry… > > [http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaAbortionAgenda/BidenProofVoteForHatchAmendToOverturnRoe.pdf](http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaAbortionAgenda/BidenProofVoteForHatchAmendToOverturnRoe.pdf) Once someone has evolved to the correct belief, its ok. I’d consider voting Romney too if he would say he’s pro-choice, and then personally pulled a fetus out of a pregnant woman and aborted it ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/27 "2012-10-14T20:58:48Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I’d consider voting Romney too if he would say he’s pro-choice, and then personally pulled a fetus out of a pregnant woman and aborted it Me too, but only if he did it with his teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/28 "2012-10-15T01:51:20Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > But Romney really does believe the same thing on Wednesday that he did Monday. It’s just that on Tuesdays and Thursdays he takes the opposite position. Perhaps, “Mitt Romney believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believes on Monday, no matter what he believes on Tuesday.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/29 "2012-10-15T02:07:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’ve never seen you object to anyone on this MB calling Romney “Mittens”. That’s a lot more common here than anyone calling Obama “Barry”, which is a name he has used to refer to himself at least. I think we can stand to tolerate one “Barry” for every twenty “Mittens”. I’d prefer no one did either, but that went the way of that pony I wanted last year. Hey, I’m pretty sure I’ve never called him by that name; that ought to count for something. But OK, like 12-year olds it is. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/30 "2012-10-15T02:44:55Z")
This could be just the break Richard Gephardt’s campaign has been waiting for! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/31 "2012-10-15T20:18:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Perhaps, “Mitt Romney believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believes on Monday, no matter what he believes on Tuesday.” Hah. That’s much better! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596/32 "2012-10-15T21:25:43Z")
Since my “evolution” on abortion has closely matched Biden’s, in about the same time frame, this makes me more, and not less, eager to vote for his ticket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-joey-is-special-joe-biden-and-abortion/637596.md?page=1)